From: martinpi . public
Subject: [Paparazzi-devel] DiyDrones: discussion about Paparazzi and Linux
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:32:19 +0100
My boot-CD-howto has started a discussion about Paparazzi and Linux, see
http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A45741
What do you think?
From: cory barton
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] DiyDrones: discussion about Paparazzi and Linux
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:52:38 -0400
Chris Anderson(DIY Drones founder) has asked me to write a short
article for them about Paparazzi. I am adding his request to me below.
Please give me any suggestions you may have for the article
Thanks,
Cory
Chris says:
Cory, thanks for the note. I think what's missing is "dummy's guide"
to Paparazzi, starting with the question "Is Paparazzi right for you?"
The official wiki is incredibly intimidating for most people and
doesn't even say that it's Linux-only until you get a few scary levels
down.
What would be really useful would be sense of why "regular people"
(ie, our audience, who are typically not university students or pros)
might want to choose Paparazzi over commerical autopilots like
AttoPilot or very simply open source DIY ones like ArduPilot. What are
the Paparazzi features that these amateurs might value that aren't in
these alternatives?
Then, a really short FAQ:
What are the technical requirements? (Linux, etc)
How long does it typically take to get it working?
What are the real costs, all included?
Where's the best place to get started?
What's the best place to turn to for help? Hopefully not this thread
(http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851820), which is
terrifying!
Make sense!
Thanks for the help---I'm aware that Paparazzi is grossly
underrepresented here, and I'd like to rectify that.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:32 PM, < address@hidden> wrote:
> My boot-CD-howto has started a discussion about Paparazzi and Linux, see
> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A45741
>
> What do you think?
>
>
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From: David Conger
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] DiyDrones: discussion about Paparazzi and Linux
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:53:11 -0700
Ah, yes, I saw that about a week ago.
"What do you think"?
It is uncomfortable for some people to change. Paparazzi is very much about change.
It's not Windows based. It is not a commercial product sold for thousands of dollars
by some billion dollar company. It's freely available to anyone and is a collaboration.
To me what make Paparazzi so attractive is the global international support provided
by the "community". How can that be made any better?
How many drivers (dll) are required to make that FTDI cable work? :) ... or to program
a Tiny autopilot via USB? (using Linux vs Windows) .. it's just strange and new so it
is feared and put down.
-David Conger
On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:32 PM, address@hidden wrote:
My boot-CD-howto has started a discussion about Paparazzi and Linux, see
http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A45741
What do you think?
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From: cory barton
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] DiyDrones: discussion about Paparazzi and Linux
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:01:59 -0400
For a lot of people Linux = Scary geek stuff. They ignore the costs
of Windows because they have no reference point. They cannot see the
problems since they only know the Windows way. Linux is easy now. It
is much easier than windows. Besides, what better fit for a DIY Drone,
than a DIY OS?
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:53 PM, David Conger wrote:
> Ah, yes, I saw that about a week ago.
>
> "What do you think"?
>
> It is uncomfortable for some people to change. Paparazzi is very much about
> change. It's not Windows based. It is not a commercial product sold for
> thousands of dollars by some billion dollar company. It's freely available
> to anyone and is a collaboration.
>
> To me what make Paparazzi so attractive is the global international support
> provided by the "community". How can that be made any better?
>
> How many drivers (dll) are required to make that FTDI cable work? :) ... or
> to program a Tiny autopilot via USB? (using Linux vs Windows) .. it's just
> strange and new so it is feared and put down.
>
> -David Conger
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:32 PM, address@hidden wrote:
>
>> My boot-CD-howto has started a discussion about Paparazzi and Linux, see
>> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A45741
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> address@hidden
>> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/paparazzi-devel
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From: David Conger
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] DiyDrones: discussion about Paparazzi and Linux
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:04:42 -0700
Hi Cory,
I qualify as a "regular" person. I'm not a professor or student and simply found
Paparazzi by searching for ways to auto-stabilize a Heli for AP work. It soon became
an obsession to first get PCB then to have autopilots assembled (first for myself only).
I started from ground zero with UAV with just some RC experience and good programing
basic skills. I'm 43 years old and work as a DBA for a large company as my primary income.
So, it all was new to me at first. Skills I found most useful for my ability to keep
moving forward:
1. The desire to make it work. I just don't quit easily
2. A faith that it truly does work. At first I wondered if it was truly a hoax or real
working hardware/software 3. Willingness to ask for help and find new ways to ask (IRC,
email list, BBS postings) 4. The desire to give back to the project by helping others
or adding to the Wiki as I learned
Now I'm curious about why AttoPilot or ArduPilot are considered any less complicated
or difficult to setup as a paparazzi autopilot? They all need to be programmed and
configured and tuned. AttoPilot to my understanding is not even sold yet. www.ppzuav.com
has been selling fully assembled paparazzi autopilots since early this year. Designs for
Tiny1.x have been out for more than a year. Just in my research the Paparazzi is the only
DIY autopilot that's complete and available now not promised in the future. I think that
alone is a good reason for someone to chose the Paparazzi one. :)
I have had the recent thought that the non Paparazzi autopilots will have a very
challenging future once they are made more available. The challenge: Support! Paparazzi
has so many ways to get support and so many people willing to offer it. There is not a
toll-free number to call (yet) but if you need answers they are available. I will really
want to see how well these others handle this very critical need once people start using
them. Flying a UAV autonomously is not easy and I really don't believe anyone should
think any of those available will be a "no brainer" to setup and fly. I sure hope they
are not advertised that way.
Just some thoughts ... I have many but I don't want to write a book for a quick answer :)
Regards,
David Conger
On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:52 PM, cory barton wrote:
Chris Anderson(DIY Drones founder) has asked me to write a short
article for them about Paparazzi. I am adding his request to me below.
Please give me any suggestions you may have for the article
Thanks,
Cory
Chris says:
Cory, thanks for the note. I think what's missing is "dummy's guide"
to Paparazzi, starting with the question "Is Paparazzi right for you?"
The official wiki is incredibly intimidating for most people and
doesn't even say that it's Linux-only until you get a few scary levels
down.
What would be really useful would be sense of why "regular people"
(ie, our audience, who are typically not university students or pros)
might want to choose Paparazzi over commerical autopilots like
AttoPilot or very simply open source DIY ones like ArduPilot. What are
the Paparazzi features that these amateurs might value that aren't in
these alternatives?
Then, a really short FAQ:
What are the technical requirements? (Linux, etc)
How long does it typically take to get it working?
What are the real costs, all included?
Where's the best place to get started?
What's the best place to turn to for help? Hopefully not this thread
(http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=851820), which is
terrifying!
Make sense!
Thanks for the help---I'm aware that Paparazzi is grossly
underrepresented here, and I'd like to rectify that.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:32 PM, < address@hidden> wrote:
My boot-CD-howto has started a discussion about Paparazzi and Linux, see
http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A45741
What do you think?
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From: David Conger
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] DiyDrones: discussion about Paparazzi and Linux
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:09:38 -0700
EXACTLY!!!
The best thing in my opinion Paparazzi can do is quietly continue to be the best.
No need to advertise the benefits or make claims about it. Educated people who look
at all the information can come to their own conclusions about it.
I truly enjoy viewing the new posts on the Wiki and being impressed with the ideas
that go into Paparazzi. I would never want it to be spoiled and turned into something
that was static and only the product of a single company.
Recent example is the Multi-Aircraft code being documented on the Wiki...using FAA
directives to control which UAV goes up and which goes down...brilliant. I mean keep
that up!!!
Learning to type a few commands in Linux is trivial to automate. The code to make the
most superior autopilot is not. Keep the focus on what is truly important stuff not
making it attractive to the masses.
-David Conger
On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cory barton wrote:
For a lot of people Linux = Scary geek stuff. They ignore the costs
of Windows because they have no reference point. They cannot see the
problems since they only know the Windows way. Linux is easy now. It
is much easier than windows. Besides, what better fit for a DIY Drone,
than a DIY OS?
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:53 PM, David Conger wrote:
Ah, yes, I saw that about a week ago.
"What do you think"?
It is uncomfortable for some people to change. Paparazzi is very much about change.
It's not Windows based. It is not a commercial product sold for thousands of dollars
by some billion dollar company. It's freely available to anyone and is a collaboration.
To me what make Paparazzi so attractive is the global international support provided
by the "community". How can that be made any better?
How many drivers (dll) are required to make that FTDI cable work? :) ... or to program
a Tiny autopilot via USB? (using Linux vs Windows) .. it's just strange and new so it
is feared and put down.
-David Conger
On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:32 PM, address@hidden wrote:
My boot-CD-howto has started a discussion about Paparazzi and Linux, see
http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A45741
What do you think?
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From: cory barton
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] DiyDrones: discussion about Paparazzi and Linux
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:30:11 -0400
Update.
The post about Paparazzi is on DIY Drones now.
http://www.diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/getting-started-with-paparazzi
Cory
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 5:09 PM, David Conger < address@hidden> wrote:
> EXACTLY!!!
>
> The best thing in my opinion Paparazzi can do is quietly continue to be the
> best. No need to advertise the benefits or make claims about it. Educated
> people who look at all the information can come to their own conclusions
> about it.
>
> I truly enjoy viewing the new posts on the Wiki and being impressed with the
> ideas that go into Paparazzi. I would never want it to be spoiled and turned
> into something that was static and only the product of a single company.
>
> Recent example is the Multi-Aircraft code being documented on the
> Wiki...using FAA directives to control which UAV goes up and which goes
> down...brilliant. I mean keep that up!!!
>
> Learning to type a few commands in Linux is trivial to automate. The code to
> make the most superior autopilot is not. Keep the focus on what is truly
> important stuff not making it attractive to the masses.
>
> -David Conger
> On Oct 27, 2008, at 2:01 PM, cory barton wrote:
>
>> For a lot of people Linux = Scary geek stuff. They ignore the costs
>> of Windows because they have no reference point. They cannot see the
>> problems since they only know the Windows way. Linux is easy now. It
>> is much easier than windows. Besides, what better fit for a DIY Drone,
>> than a DIY OS?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:53 PM, David Conger < address@hidden> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, yes, I saw that about a week ago.
>>>
>>> "What do you think"?
>>>
>>> It is uncomfortable for some people to change. Paparazzi is very much
>>> about
>>> change. It's not Windows based. It is not a commercial product sold for
>>> thousands of dollars by some billion dollar company. It's freely
>>> available
>>> to anyone and is a collaboration.
>>>
>>> To me what make Paparazzi so attractive is the global international
>>> support
>>> provided by the "community". How can that be made any better?
>>>
>>> How many drivers (dll) are required to make that FTDI cable work? :) ...
>>> or
>>> to program a Tiny autopilot via USB? (using Linux vs Windows) .. it's
>>> just
>>> strange and new so it is feared and put down.
>>>
>>> -David Conger
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:32 PM, address@hidden wrote:
>>>
>>>> My boot-CD-howto has started a discussion about Paparazzi and Linux, see
>>>> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844%3ABlogPost%3A45741
>>>>
>>>> What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Paparazzi-devel mailing list
>>>> address@hidden
>>>> http://lists.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/paparazzi-devel
>>>
>>>
>>>
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