[Canberrauav] FW: Share and learn more about UAVs
Stephen Dade stephen_dade at hotmail.com
Tue May 28 02:30:43 UTC 2013
Hi Rex,
Most of our work is done via the CanberraUAV mailing list (cc'd) which you are
welcome to join in (see
http://www.canberrauav.com/mailman/listinfo/canberrauav)
Our meetups are sporadic at best. There's usually a few of us at the CMAC field on
Sunday mornings. Otherwise we're regularly attend the MHV maker meetups
(http://www.makehackvoid.com/community/meetings) on the 1st/3rd/5th Tuesday
evening of each month.
Thanks
Stephen
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lindsey Rex Sagge < lrsagge at gmail.com>
Date: 27 May 2013 08:12
Subject: Share and learn more about UAVs
To: canberraUAV at gmail.com
Hi Guys, I came across your website and I am proud of your achievement. It feels
great that your group is open to UAV enthusiasts. I am LTCOL REX SAGGE PN(M),
I am an active Philippine Marine Corps officer who happens to be in Australia every
other month because my wife and my 2 kids lives in Queanbeyan. I completed my
masters degree in C4ISR-Electronic Warfare in UNSW at ADFA.
I have been involved in successful military UAV operations against terrorists when I
was with the Intelligence Service since 2000 with US, Israeli and locally-developed
UAVs, such as Scan Eagle, GNAT-1 (the smaller brother of the Predator), Blue horizon
(Israel), Raven, Hawk-Eye, etc. I am currently the Vice-Chairman of the Technical
Working Group for UAV development for the Armed Forces of the Philippines. I am a
member of AUVSI and attends the annual Unmanned Systems North America.
Inasmuch as I am into military UAVs, I am just glad that the civilian UAV is gaining
grounds and this means that we can develop more UAVs, cheaper and better, to save
more lives. I have been using expensive UAVs and I also want to learn more about
the ArduPilot and how you use it. I guess this would make my life easier in pushing
for affordable UAVs.
I have some cool ideas on how you can deliver the 500ml water bottle accurately,
since I am also developing or integrating systems for precision delivery of grenades.
So, can I join you and catch up with you guys? I'll be in Queanbeyan until Monday
next week. Here's some video of the military UAVs that we developed.
Kind regards, Rex
[Canberrauav] FW: Share and learn more about UAVs
Adam Thomas adam.lloyd at gmail.com
Tue May 28 03:05:12 UTC 2013
I am lost for words here. Have a gif and an infographic in their place.
http://www.reactiongifs.com//wp-content/gallery/no/les-mis-no.gif
http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/
On 28 May 2013 12:30, Stephen Dade wrote:
> Hi Rex,
>
> Most of our work is done via the CanberraUAV mailing list (cc'd) which you
> are welcome to join in (see
> http://www.canberrauav.com/mailman/listinfo/canberrauav)
>
> Our meetups are sporadic at best. There's usually a few of us at the CMAC
> field on Sunday mornings. Otherwise we're regularly attend the MHV maker
> meetups (http://www.makehackvoid.com/community/meetings) on the 1st/3rd/5th
> Tuesday evening of each month.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Stephen
>
> ________________________________
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Lindsey Rex Sagge <lrsagge at gmail.com>
> Date: 27 May 2013 08:12
> Subject: Share and learn more about UAVs
> To: canberraUAV at gmail.com
>
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I came across your website and I am proud of your achievement. It feels
> great that your group is open to UAV enthusiasts. I am LTCOL REX SAGGE
> PN(M),I am an active Philippine Marine Corps officer who happens to be in
> Australia every other month because my wife and my 2 kids lives in
> Queanbeyan. I completed my masters degree in C4ISR-Electronic Warfare in
> UNSW at ADFA.
>
> I have been involved in successful military UAV operations against
> terrorists when I was with the Intelligence Service since 2000 with US,
> Israeli and locally-developed UAVs, such as Scan Eagle, GNAT-1 (the smaller
> brother of the Predator), Blue horizon (Israel), Raven, Hawk-Eye, etc. I am
> currently the Vice-Chairman of the Technical Working Group for UAV
> development for the Armed Forces of the Philippines. I am a member of AUVSI
> and attends the annual Unmanned Systems North America.
>
> Inasmuch as I am into military UAVs, I am just glad that the civilian UAV is
> gaining grounds and this means that we can develop more UAVs, cheaper and
> better, to save more lives. I have been using expensive UAVs and I also
> want to learn more about the ArduPilot and how you use it. I guess this
> would make my life easier in pushing for affordable UAVs.
>
> I have some cool ideas on how you can deliver the 500ml water bottle
> accurately, since I am also developing or integrating systems for precision
> delivery of grenades.
>
> So, can I join you and catch up with you guys? I'll be in Queanbeyan until
> Monday next week. Here's some video of the military UAVs that we developed.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Rex
[Canberrauav] FW: Share and learn more about UAVs
Stephen Dade stephen_dade at hotmail.com
Tue May 28 03:24:17 UTC 2013
Hi Adam,
CanberraUAV is purely based in the civilian arena, developing technologies for
Search & Rescue UAV (among other civilian uses).
We do not involve ourselves in the military UAV sector. Quite conversely, we
want to show that UAV's can be used for good.
The email was received by the canberrauav at gmail.com address. It is our policy
to redirect any "general interest" or requests for assistance via our mailing list, so
that if anyone else has a similar question, they can just search the list.
-Stephen
> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:05:12 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Canberrauav] FW: Share and learn more about UAVs
> From: adam.lloyd at gmail.com
> To: stephen_dade at hotmail.com
> CC: canberrauav at canberrauav.com; lrsagge at gmail.com
>
> I am lost for words here. Have a gif and an infographic in their place.
>
> http://www.reactiongifs.com//wp-content/gallery/no/les-mis-no.gif
>
> http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/
>
> On 28 May 2013 12:30, Stephen Dade <stephen_dade at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Rex,
> >
> > Most of our work is done via the CanberraUAV mailing list (cc'd) which you
> > are welcome to join in (see
> > http://www.canberrauav.com/mailman/listinfo/canberrauav)
> >
> > Our meetups are sporadic at best. There's usually a few of us at the CMAC
> > field on Sunday mornings. Otherwise we're regularly attend the MHV maker
> > meetups (http://www.makehackvoid.com/community/meetings) on the 1st/3rd/5th
> > Tuesday evening of each month.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Lindsey Rex Sagge <lrsagge at gmail.com>
> > Date: 27 May 2013 08:12
> > Subject: Share and learn more about UAVs
> > To: canberraUAV at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I came across your website and I am proud of your achievement. It feels
> > great that your group is open to UAV enthusiasts. I am LTCOL REX SAGGE
> > PN(M),I am an active Philippine Marine Corps officer who happens to be in
> > Australia every other month because my wife and my 2 kids lives in
> > Queanbeyan. I completed my masters degree in C4ISR-Electronic Warfare in
> > UNSW at ADFA.
> >
> > I have been involved in successful military UAV operations against
> > terrorists when I was with the Intelligence Service since 2000 with US,
> > Israeli and locally-developed UAVs, such as Scan Eagle, GNAT-1 (the smaller
> > brother of the Predator), Blue horizon (Israel), Raven, Hawk-Eye, etc. I am
> > currently the Vice-Chairman of the Technical Working Group for UAV
> > development for the Armed Forces of the Philippines. I am a member of AUVSI
> > and attends the annual Unmanned Systems North America.
> >
> > Inasmuch as I am into military UAVs, I am just glad that the civilian UAV is
> > gaining grounds and this means that we can develop more UAVs, cheaper and
> > better, to save more lives. I have been using expensive UAVs and I also
> > want to learn more about the ArduPilot and how you use it. I guess this
> > would make my life easier in pushing for affordable UAVs.
> >
> > I have some cool ideas on how you can deliver the 500ml water bottle
> > accurately, since I am also developing or integrating systems for precision
> > delivery of grenades.
> >
> > So, can I join you and catch up with you guys? I'll be in Queanbeyan until
> > Monday next week. Here's some video of the military UAVs that we developed.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Rex
[Canberrauav] FW: Share and learn more about UAVs
Chris Gough christopher.d.gough at gmail.com
Tue May 28 07:20:19 UTC 2013
re infographic:
<gallows_humour>
It seems at least practice is improving their aim.
</gallows_humour>
Ethics are important, thank you Adam for bringing the discussion out
into the open.
FWIW here's my opinion. I find the thought of engaging with military
UAV people confronting, but on balance I think we should make Rex feel
very welcome. These are my reasons:
1) It's a test of our GPL credentials, it's not our place to try and
restrict how GPL code is used.
2) Welcoming Rex to participate in our humanitarian work is not
contributing to weapons development. He obviously doesn't need our
help for that.
3) I am sure interested military organisations are already
competently following. Yes you, Hello :)
4) Almost all aerospace tech has crossed over from military to
civilian domain, it's arrogant to pretend otherwise.
5) I'm sure there is a lot we can learn from him, which will advance
the art of saving lives.
6) statistically he's probably a nice person, most people are.
I think there is a clear line, I trust myself not to cross it.
Reiterating Stephen's point (which I think is abundantly clear on our
web site, etc): We don't make weapons. But the fact is we do make
"dual-use goods" (in the Defence Department jargon sense of the word,
civilian non-military items with the potential to be re-purposed as
weapons, such as bulk quantities of fertiliser, SAR UAVs and many
other types of thing). Pretending they are not potentially dangerous
doesn't make anyone safer. Advancing our art does.
I'm willing to have my mind changed by counter-arguments, and don't
object to anyone disagreeing with me. Please do express your opinions,
a taboo on this topic would be counter-productive.
Chris Gough
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Dade <stephen_dade at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> CanberraUAV is purely based in the civilian arena, developing technologies
> for Search & Rescue UAV (among other civilian uses).
>
> We do not involve ourselves in the military UAV sector. Quite conversely, we
> want to show that UAV's can be used for good.
>
> The email was received by the canberrauav at gmail.com address. It is our
> policy to redirect any "general interest" or requests for assistance via our
> mailing list, so that if anyone else has a similar question, they can just
> search the list.
>
>
> -Stephen
>
>> Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 13:05:12 +1000
>> Subject: Re: [Canberrauav] FW: Share and learn more about UAVs
>> From: adam.lloyd at gmail.com
>> To: stephen_dade at hotmail.com
>> CC: canberrauav at canberrauav.com; lrsagge at gmail.com
>
>>
>> I am lost for words here. Have a gif and an infographic in their place.
>>
>> http://www.reactiongifs.com//wp-content/gallery/no/les-mis-no.gif
>>
>> http://drones.pitchinteractive.com/
>>
>> On 28 May 2013 12:30, Stephen Dade <stephen_dade at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Rex,
>> >
>> > Most of our work is done via the CanberraUAV mailing list (cc'd) which
>> > you
>> > are welcome to join in (see
>> > http://www.canberrauav.com/mailman/listinfo/canberrauav)
>> >
>> > Our meetups are sporadic at best. There's usually a few of us at the
>> > CMAC
>> > field on Sunday mornings. Otherwise we're regularly attend the MHV maker
>> > meetups (http://www.makehackvoid.com/community/meetings) on the
>> > 1st/3rd/5th
>> > Tuesday evening of each month.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Lindsey Rex Sagge <lrsagge at gmail.com>
>> > Date: 27 May 2013 08:12
>> > Subject: Share and learn more about UAVs
>> > To: canberraUAV at gmail.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Guys,
>> >
>> > I came across your website and I am proud of your achievement. It feels
>> > great that your group is open to UAV enthusiasts. I am LTCOL REX SAGGE
>> > PN(M),I am an active Philippine Marine Corps officer who happens to be
>> > in
>> > Australia every other month because my wife and my 2 kids lives in
>> > Queanbeyan. I completed my masters degree in C4ISR-Electronic Warfare in
>> > UNSW at ADFA.
>> >
>> > I have been involved in successful military UAV operations against
>> > terrorists when I was with the Intelligence Service since 2000 with US,
>> > Israeli and locally-developed UAVs, such as Scan Eagle, GNAT-1 (the
>> > smaller
>> > brother of the Predator), Blue horizon (Israel), Raven, Hawk-Eye, etc. I
>> > am
>> > currently the Vice-Chairman of the Technical Working Group for UAV
>> > development for the Armed Forces of the Philippines. I am a member of
>> > AUVSI
>> > and attends the annual Unmanned Systems North America.
>> >
>> > Inasmuch as I am into military UAVs, I am just glad that the civilian
>> > UAV is
>> > gaining grounds and this means that we can develop more UAVs, cheaper
>> > and
>> > better, to save more lives. I have been using expensive UAVs and I also
>> > want to learn more about the ArduPilot and how you use it. I guess this
>> > would make my life easier in pushing for affordable UAVs.
>> >
>> > I have some cool ideas on how you can deliver the 500ml water bottle
>> > accurately, since I am also developing or integrating systems for
>> > precision
>> > delivery of grenades.
>> >
>> > So, can I join you and catch up with you guys? I'll be in Queanbeyan
>> > until
>> > Monday next week. Here's some video of the military UAVs that we
>> > developed.
>> >
>> > Kind regards,
>> >
>> > Rex
[Canberrauav] FW: Share and learn more about UAVs
Andrew Tridgell tridge at samba.org
Fri May 31 05:43:41 UTC 2013
Hi Chris,
I agree with your comments, and I don't think we should avoid working
with people because they have military connections, but we should also
make it very clear that we don't want our code to be used for military
systems.
Rex dropped past my house on Wednesday afternoon for a chat. He brought
with him a SkyWalker that he'd bought from www.event38.com. I explained
to him that we don't want to help with any military use of APM or our
code, and he accepted that. He is still interested in using his
SkyWalker for FPV and civilian aerial mapping.
Cheers, Tridge
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