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any word on its completion/availability??

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From: war...@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins)
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Subject: Re: macintosh pgp
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

In article <93075.162...@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <295...@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:

   any word on its completion/availability??

As has been posted in alt.security.pgp (which is really the right
place for this query):

MacPGP 2.2 is now available from anonymous ftp from
mac.archive.umich.edu (141.211.32.2 and 141.211.165.41) in directory
/mac/util/encryption.

I hope this helps!

- -derek

PGP 2 key available upon request on the key-server:
	pgp-pub...@toxicwaste.mit.edu

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: 2.2

iQBuAgUBK6a20jh0K1zBsGrxAQFSSQLBAUbZ2EuVw9BkfyOEwaguyQKkcYJhnm9/
ObOK+WlIbcnpk+hm94bkWr87IpoImhdhsfd7eUv6qAYwuLeYg3KrBT/A7A2aG0VD
1EceUJHBzZ2ACRLq5pY7UE4=
=Ppkz
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
--
  Derek Atkins, MIT '93, Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
     Secretary, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB)
           MIT Media Laboratory, Speech Research Group
           war...@MIT.EDU       PP-ASEL        N1NWH

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From: ri...@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel)
Subject: Re: macintosh pgp
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In <WARLORD.93...@bill-the-cat.mit.edu> war...@MIT.EDU (Derek Atkins) writes:
]In article <93075.162...@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> <295...@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> writes:
]   any word on its completion/availability??
]As has been posted in alt.security.pgp (which is really the right
]place for this query):
]MacPGP 2.2 is now available from anonymous ftp from
]mac.archive.umich.edu (141.211.32.2 and 141.211.165.41) in directory
]/mac/util/encryption.

It's not there now.

Rich

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From: pha...@stein2.u.washington.edu (The Phantom)
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Subject: Re: macintosh pgp
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In article <rich.732523548@pencil> 
ri...@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) writes:
>]MacPGP 2.2 is now available from anonymous ftp from
>]mac.archive.umich.edu (141.211.32.2 and 141.211.165.41) in directory
>]/mac/util/encryption.
>
>It's not there now.
>
>Rich

Again, most all sources/executables can be snarfed from 

ftp.u.washington.edu: /pub/user-supported/pgp

contents of the directory include:
macpgp2.2.cpt.hqx: 	binhexed / stuffed mac pgp executable + docs
pgp22.tar.Z:		Unix tarred + Z'ed source files + docs + utils
pgp22.zip:		Msdos exectuable + docs
pgp22os2.zip:		os2 exectuables (16,32 bit) + docs
pgp22src.zip:		zipped source files
pgputils.zip:		utilities for integrating pgp into nn, elm, etc
unz50p1.exe:		Unzip package

You shouldn't have any problems getting pgp for mac/etc from this site.

matt

Matt Thomlinson
University of Washington, Seattle, Washington.
Internet: pha...@u.washington.edu      	    phone: (206) 528-5732
PGP 2.2  key available via email or finger pha...@hardy.u.washington.edu

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In <1obuul...@shelley.u.washington.edu> 
pha...@stein2.u.washington.edu (The Phantom) writes:
>Again, most all sources/executables can be snarfed from 
>ftp.u.washington.edu: /pub/user-supported/pgp

Nope .. everything there is unreadable.

Rich

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From: pha...@stein2.u.washington.edu (The Phantom)
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Subject: Re: macintosh pgp
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In article <rich.732578969@pencil> ri...@pencil.cs.missouri.edu (Rich Winkel) 
writes:
>In <1obuul...@shelley.u.washington.edu>
 pha...@stein2.u.washington.edu (The Phantom) writes:
>>Again, most all sources/executables can be snarfed from 
>>ftp.u.washington.edu: /pub/user-supported/pgp
>
>Nope .. everything there is unreadable.
>
>Rich

Correct you are. I got a nasty letter today from the sysadmin telling me 
I had better pull it off of my ftpable directory. Thank you, Mr. Sternlight.
From what it sounds like, the Attorney General of the State of Washington 
has ruled that PGP should not be on the University systems in the State 
of Washington.

I haven't been able to verify this, but under extreme pressure I have been 
forced to pull the directory. 

I beleive the only way to keep Mr. Sternlight from shutting pgp down 
altogether is to have users put it up for ftp. When one person's ftp gets
shut down, have someone else you know take the files from you and put them 
on the net.

Matt

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From: eif...@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig)
Subject: Re: macintosh pgp
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In article <1odnvs...@shelley.u.washington.edu> 
pha...@stein2.u.washington.edu (The Phantom) writes:

>Correct you are. I got a nasty letter today from the sysadmin telling me 
>I had better pull it off of my ftpable directory. Thank you, Mr. Sternlight.
>From what it sounds like, the Attorney General of the State of Washington 
>has ruled that PGP should not be on the University systems in the State 
>of Washington.
>
>I haven't been able to verify this, but under extreme pressure I have been 
>forced to pull the directory. 
>
>I beleive the only way to keep Mr. Sternlight from shutting pgp down 
>altogether is to have users put it up for ftp. When one person's ftp gets
>shut down, have someone else you know take the files from you and put them 
>on the net.

	Alright, enough is enough.  I've had about enough of David
Sternlight and his "PGP is an abomination against God and Man" campaign.
Fortuitously, I've just finished up my conference submission, my advisor is
away for a week, and it's spring break here at Hopkins, so those annoying
little undergraduates won't be bugging me with questions about their
compiler projects.  I think it's time to do a little coding!

	I think I'll start work on "pgp-usa": the usable-in-the-Land-of-the-
Free version of pgp.  Basically, I propose to rip out the portions of pgp that
implement the RSA encryption of the IDEA key and replace them with hooks
into RSAREF.  The resulting package will therefore do no RSA encryption and
thus be freely distributable within the US.  To use the package, the user
first gets a copy of RSAREF from rsa.com; since this is for "personal use,"
no license fee is needed.  Presto!

	Somehow, I don't think I'll have any trouble getting Phil Zimmerman
to let me use major portions of his source code!  >}:->

	This whole thing is ridiculous, and a sad commentary on the poorly
thought-out state of affairs in intellectual property law.

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              "Remember, kids: the policeman is our friend!"
                                          - Dr. Dorothy Denning

Jack Eifrig (eif...@cs.jhu.edu)       The Johns Hopkins University, C.S. Dept.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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From: strn...@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
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In article <1993Mar20.0...@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
eif...@beanworld.cs.jhu.edu (Jonathan Eifrig) writes:


>
>	Alright, enough is enough.  I've had about enough of David
>Sternlight and his "PGP is an abomination against God and Man" campaign.
>Fortuitously, I've just finished up my conference submission, my advisor is
>away for a week, and it's spring break here at Hopkins, so those annoying
>little undergraduates won't be bugging me with questions about their
>compiler projects.  I think it's time to do a little coding!

You must have come in the middle of our long discussions, and apparently you
have been taken in by some propagandists here. I've said publicly that I
think PGP an excellent program, and that I'd love to have a legal copy. I'd
support you vigorously, and even pay you a shareware fee if you can find a
way to do this legally in the U.S.

>
>	I think I'll start work on "pgp-usa": the usable-in-the-Land-of-the-
>Free version of pgp.  Basically, I propose to rip out the portions of pgp that
>implement the RSA encryption of the IDEA key and replace them with hooks
>into RSAREF.  The resulting package will therefore do no RSA encryption and
>thus be freely distributable within the US.  To use the package, the user
>first gets a copy of RSAREF from rsa.com; since this is for "personal use,"
>no license fee is needed.  Presto!
>

Why not do the whole job? I'm sure RSA would give you a license for use of
RSAREF in the U.S. just as they've done for Mark Riordan and Ripem. The
Ripem package includes the RSAREF code, and the hooks are pre-installed.
The tricky bit is to make sure you have the necessary hooks in RIPEM. If 
you don't, you'll have to ask RSA's permission to modify RIPEM, but at least
one writer here has already done that and RSA agreed.

The other tricky bit is going to be IDEA, since you have to use that to
be compatible. You will need to apply to the Department of Commerce or
Treasury (dunno which) for an import license for IDEA. But we need for
someone to do this if we're ever going to be able to communicate with
European users of IDEA. I have some reason to believe that if you apply for
such a license, it will likely be granted, and fairly quickly by the new
Administration.

>	Somehow, I don't think I'll have any trouble getting Phil Zimmerman
>to let me use major portions of his source code!  >}:->

Here you are on your own. As it was explained to me, part of RSA's
"settlement" with Phil is that he agreed to do no further work on PGP and
not to distribute it. Phil is being very careful in this matter.
>
>	This whole thing is ridiculous, and a sad commentary on the poorly
>thought-out state of affairs in intellectual property law.

No, it is a classical policy dilemma reflecting the tension between the
government's need to read the traffic of suspected terrorists, drug
pushers, and military adversaries, the citizens' need for privacy, and
business' need to protect commercial secrets. There are no "bad guys" here,
just difficult choices.

-- 
David Sternlight         Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
                         our information, errors and omissions excepted.

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