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From: ro...@doom.tromsomh.no (Rogon the Fateless)
Subject: NetBEUI
Message-ID: <1994Jun29.130804.10785@news.uit.no>
Sender: ro...@doom.tromsomh.no (Rogon den Skjebnelause)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 13:08:04 GMT
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I have always wondered how Windows for Workgroups v. 3.11
works, apparently it uses some sort of protocol called
NetBEUI for communication.
Where can one find documentation on this? Is it free or
proprietary? Has anyone thought of making a driver of some
sort to incorporate this for Linux?
I would really like to be able to use our orginazation's
file-servers, since most of them use WfW3.11.
Is this a topic for the DosEMU and/or Wine team?
Any help is appreciated.
Roggie the Root.
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From: ly...@qut.edu.au (Barry Lynam)
Subject: Re: NetBEUI
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In article < Cs6H3z...@pe1chl.ampr.org>, r...@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob
Janssen) writes:
|> In <1994Jun29.130804.10...@news.uit.no> ro...@doom.tromsomh.no (Rogon
|> the Fateless) writes:
|>
|> >I have always wondered how Windows for Workgroups v. 3.11
|> >works, apparently it uses some sort of protocol called
|> >NetBEUI for communication.
|>
|> NetBEUI (or NetBIOS) is not a protocol, it is an interface to a
|> protocol.
|> It is specific to DOS, and not applicable to Linux
No, NetBEUI is a complete protocol stack like IP, IPX, DECNet, AppleTalk
etc.
It is not specific to DOS. NT has it. VAX Machines can use it.
My advice is to not use it because it is non-routable. On a small network it
is not a bad thing but on a large network it is bad. If you have a large net
use TCPIP instead of NetBEUI.
|>
|> >Where can one find documentation on this? Is it free or
|> >proprietary? Has anyone thought of making a driver of some
|> >sort to incorporate this for Linux?
|>
|> >I would really like to be able to use our orginazation's
|> >file-servers, since most of them use WfW3.11.
|>
|> Get the SAMBA SMB-server, this allows you to access the Linux filesystem
|> from PC's running Windows for Workgroups.
|>
SAMBA won't let you use LANManager/WfW3.11/WINNT etc as a client. It make's
your Unix box be a server to these clients. There is a program in SAMBA that
is ftp like.
|> >Is this a topic for the DosEMU and/or Wine team?
|>
|> NetBIOS could be added as part of dosemu, but as dosemu cannot run Windows
|> it would not solve your problem. It could be interesting for other
|> reasons. Maybe sometime I'll do it.
|>
|> Rob
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From: r...@whisper.slip.jyu.fi (Riku Meskanen)
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Subject: Re: NetBEUI
Date: 1 Jul 1994 20:27:04 GMT
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Barry Lynam (ly...@qut.edu.au) wrote:
: In article < Cs6H3z...@pe1chl.ampr.org>, r...@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob
: Janssen) writes:
: |> In <1994Jun29.130804.10...@news.uit.no> ro...@doom.tromsomh.no (Rogon
: |> the Fateless) writes:
: |>
: |> >I have always wondered how Windows for Workgroups v. 3.11
: |> >works, apparently it uses some sort of protocol called
: |> >NetBEUI for communication.
: |>
: |> NetBEUI (or NetBIOS) is not a protocol, it is an interface to a
: |> protocol.
: |> It is specific to DOS, and not applicable to Linux
: No, NetBEUI is a complete protocol stack like IP, IPX, DECNet, AppleTalk
: etc.
: It is not specific to DOS. NT has it. VAX Machines can use it.
Yeah, and SCO (yuk!) does it also with SCO LM/X (LanManager/Unix) so no
additional drivers are needed for DOS & OS/2 LanManager clients to be
able to use LM/X shared resources.
: My advice is to not use it because it is non-routable. On a small network it
: is not a bad thing but on a large network it is bad. If you have a large net
: use TCPIP instead of NetBEUI.
: |>
: |> >Where can one find documentation on this? Is it free or
: |> >proprietary? Has anyone thought of making a driver of some
: |> >sort to incorporate this for Linux?
: |>
I remember that once one of the Compu$erve microsoft forums had something
about NetBEUI, NDIS, etc. I haven't visited CIS for some time so, can't
promise that those files still are there.
: |> >I would really like to be able to use our orginazation's
: |> >file-servers, since most of them use WfW3.11.
: |>
: |> Get the SAMBA SMB-server, this allows you to access the Linux filesystem
: |> from PC's running Windows for Workgroups.
: |>
: SAMBA won't let you use LANManager/WfW3.11/WINNT etc as a client. It make's
: your Unix box be a server to these clients. There is a program in SAMBA that
: is ftp like.
:
This is something I'm wondering too. It seems that everybody and my brother in
law is writing filesystems for Linux, but no-one seems to be planning to add SMB
client for the kernel. Anybody interested? I have no experience in such work so
maybe we can found someone who has and also I have plenty of projects to go
so let's not trust that I'll do it.
: |> >Is this a topic for the DosEMU and/or Wine team?
: |>
: |> NetBIOS could be added as part of dosemu, but as dosemu cannot run Windows
: |> it would not solve your problem. It could be interesting for other
: |> reasons. Maybe sometime I'll do it.
: |>
: |> Rob
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: |> | Rob Janssen | AMPRnet: r...@pe1chl.ampr.org |
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: | Communications - Network Services Phone: +61 7 864 2883 |
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: | Brisbane AUSTRALIA Brisbane 4001 |
: | AUSTRALIA |
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Current samba version can be found from
nimbus.anu.edu.au:/pub/tridge/samba/tarred/samba-1.16.11.tar.gz
TCPIP add on to Win 3.11 could be found
from ftp.microsoft.com:/Advsys/MSclient/WFW/WFWTCP.EXE.
There is also a 32bit Beta version of the client in
ftp.microsoft.com:/peropsys/WFW/tcpip/vxdbeta/MTCPB3.EXE which you
may also like to try.
:-) riku
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From: iii...@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: NetBEUI
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In article <2v1u6o$...@network.cc.jyu.fi> Riku Meskanen < mes...@jyu.fi> writes:
>I remember that once one of the Compu$erve microsoft forums had something
>about NetBEUI, NDIS, etc. I haven't visited CIS for some time so, can't
>promise that those files still are there.
There is an X/OPEN spec for it all (same place as SAMBA is) and also IBM
sell documentation on it.
>This is something I'm wondering too. It seems that everybody and my brother in
>law is writing filesystems for Linux, but no-one seems to be planning to add SMB
>client for the kernel. Anybody interested? I have no experience in such work so
>maybe we can found someone who has and also I have plenty of projects to go
>so let's not trust that I'll do it.
Lan Manager has no inode concept which makes things fun. Doing it as a userfs
is feasible but 'interesting'
Alan
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From: da...@dragon.s.bawue.de (Daniel T. Schwager)
Subject: Re: NetBEUI
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: Current samba version can be found from
: nimbus.anu.edu.au:/pub/tridge/samba/tarred/samba-1.16.11.tar.gz
: TCPIP add on to Win 3.11 could be found
: from ftp.microsoft.com:/Advsys/MSclient/WFW/WFWTCP.EXE.
: There is also a 32bit Beta version of the client in
: ftp.microsoft.com:/peropsys/WFW/tcpip/vxdbeta/MTCPB3.EXE which you
: may also like to try.
: :-) riku
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If i want install linux as a filesyser (replacement for novell in little
networks), should i use
o Linux as a SAMBA Server
- running wfwg or windos-3.1 with the prog's show above on the stations
o Linux as a normal NFS Server
- running xfs176 or nfs-02x (both msdos nfs-clients) on the stations
Whats the advantages of samba in opposit to nfs ??
regards
Danny
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From: iii...@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: NetBEUI
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In article <1994Jul3.091443.1...@dragon.s.bawue.de> da...@dragon.s.bawue.de
(Daniel T. Schwager) writes:
>If i want install linux as a filesyser (replacement for novell in little
>networks), should i use
>
> o Linux as a SAMBA Server
> - running wfwg or windos-3.1 with the prog's show above on the stations
With W4WG 3.11 SAMBA is a very clean simple interface needing no new tools. It
also seems materially faster than NFS. Its certainly proving very useful here.
Alan