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From: Tonster <ton...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
Subject: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/05/28
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Could someone please suggesr to me what to use to write and edit code
for JAVA??!?!?

Please I'm a newbie too and need to get started.  I downloaded EMACS but
it's about 30Mb which is rediculous?!?!?!?!

Tonster

From: martin....@mailbox.swipnet.se (Martin Wickman)
Subject: Re: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/05/28
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Tonster <ton...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au> wrote:

>Could someone please suggesr to me what to use to write and edit code
>for JAVA??!?!?
>
>Please I'm a newbie too and need to get started.  I downloaded EMACS but
>it's about 30Mb which is rediculous?!?!?!?!

Yes, emacs is big. But that's because it contains so much
(C-mode, html-mode, perl-mode, calendar, www-browser, the-doctor,
games, lisp interpreter, newsreader, mailclient etc. etc.).
Anyway, emacs is (IMO) absolutely the one true programmers
editor. Give it a try!

--
  Why use Windows, since there is a door?

From: "Grant Conklin" <gcon...@candescent.com>
Subject: Re: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/05/28
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Visual Cafe is fine for me!

Martin Wickman <martin....@mailbox.swipnet.se> wrote in article
<338c320c...@news.seinf.abb.se>...
> Tonster <ton...@tartarus.uwa.edu.au> wrote:
> 
> >Could someone please suggesr to me what to use to write and edit code
> >for JAVA??!?!?
> >
> >Please I'm a newbie too and need to get started.  I downloaded EMACS but
> >it's about 30Mb which is rediculous?!?!?!?!
> 
> Yes, emacs is big. But that's because it contains so much
> (C-mode, html-mode, perl-mode, calendar, www-browser, the-doctor,
> games, lisp interpreter, newsreader, mailclient etc. etc.).
> Anyway, emacs is (IMO) absolutely the one true programmers
> editor. Give it a try!
> 
> --
>   Why use Windows, since there is a door?
> 

From: Rich Shepard <Ri...@vitesse.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/05/28
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In article <01bc6b76$fb9b4060$841f...@gconklin.candescent.com>
           gcon...@candescent.com "Grant Conklin" writes:

> Visual Cafe is fine for me!

I'd be interested in someone's view on this subject too. Basically I use 
wordpad and the JDK. But what's happening is my company want a standard IDE. 
The one that they are leaning toward is JavaSoft's Java Workshop 'cos it's 
multi-platform, which J++ and Cafe aren't. However I belive that Java 
Workshop's UI is pretty poor, and I understand the point about the IDE being 
multi-platform, but surely this is less of a prob 'cos java is multi-platform!

Personally J++ sounds cool to me. But Cafe sounded OK until I was told that all 
the Cafe layout stuff was *not* multi-platform (something I find hard to 
belive).

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance:)

Rich
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From: Kristi Smith <sm...@osler.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/05/28
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Rich Shepard wrote:

> 
> Personally J++ sounds cool to me. But Cafe sounded OK until I was told that all
> the Cafe layout stuff was *not* multi-platform (something I find hard to
> belive).
> 

I heard this about Cafe when Symantec Cafe first came out. It seems to
me that we found that you can choose the layout manager that is used in
one of the options. Is this true? I would like to know this also,
because a hard coded layout manager is not what we're after either.

Thanks

Kristi
sm...@osler.wustl.edu

From: Christopher Hinds <chi...@bway.net>
Subject: Re: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/06/12
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Kristi Smith wrote:
> 
> Rich Shepard wrote:
> 
> >
> > Personally J++ sounds cool to me. But Cafe sounded OK until I was told that all
> > the Cafe layout stuff was *not* multi-platform (something I find hard to
> > belive).
> >
> 
> I heard this about Cafe when Symantec Cafe first came out. It seems to
> me that we found that you can choose the layout manager that is used in
> one of the options. Is this true? I would like to know this also,
> because a hard coded layout manager is not what we're after either.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Kristi
> sm...@osler.wustl.edu

First of all, Visual J++ include's ActiveX component wrappers
which makes that IDE the most uncool, not multi-platform interoperative
IDE.
Heard of any production Unix systems with ActiveX support?

Second there seems to be some confusion as to which version of Symantec
Cafe uses absolute positioning and sizing for layout of GUIs. This of
course in Visual Cafe 1.0. Cafe 1.0/1.5/1.52 uses the standard layout
managers, included with the JDK AWT, hand coded by a programmer for
layout of GUIs. 

Chris :-)

From: Charles <can...@tiger.gtc.georgetonw.ky.us>
Subject: Re: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/06/21
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Well Chris, thanks for the insight BUT I think people want valid
information.  I don't know if you have used J++ yourself but I have.  So
in that case, I'll clear up some misleeading information that I'm sure
you didn't mean to give:

    Yes J++ does support ActiveX components.  Does this make it bad? No,
because in  no way does it force you to use them.  I program in this
environment, and by ALL MEANS the java code that you write is compatible
on Unix systems.  I have tried a couple of my applets on UNIX and IRIX
machines at work.  I would agree that IF you use the ActiveX components
this would cause compatibility problems, but don't give curious people
the wrong idea that it is automatically used.

    I do use J++, and for anyone curious I like it a lot.  It has
excellent debugging resources, a nice color coded editor, quick access
to class/file info, quick reference to java classes, and a lot of little
things that make it an excellent environment to build java programs in.
I would recommend it to anyone.  I must say that I haven't used Symantec
Cafe yet (I will in a few weeks) and it sounds nice too.  The drag and
drop GUI development part of it is nice for the simple reason that it is
a pain to create GUIs (although it's really not that bad coding it
yourself).  But I like to spend more time programming the real problem
rather than using it on the GUI stuff.  Just my two cents.

By the way, if you are interested in trying J++, Microsoft (as much as I
would rather it be another company) allows a trial edition to be
downloaded from their website.  Might as well give it a try.

Later,
Charles Angel







Christopher Hinds wrote:

First of all, Visual J++ include's ActiveX component wrappers
which makes that IDE the most uncool, not multi-platform interoperative
IDE.
Heard of any production Unix systems with ActiveX support?

Second there seems to be some confusion as to which version of Symantec
Cafe uses absolute positioning and sizing for layout of GUIs. This of
course in Visual Cafe 1.0. Cafe 1.0/1.5/1.52 uses the standard layout
managers, included with the JDK AWT, hand coded by a programmer for
layout of GUIs.

Chris :-)

> Kristi Smith wrote:
> >
> > Rich Shepard wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Personally J++ sounds cool to me. But Cafe sounded OK until I was
> told that all
> > > the Cafe layout stuff was *not* multi-platform (something I find
> hard to
> > > belive).
> > >
> >
> > I heard this about Cafe when Symantec Cafe first came out. It seems
> to
> > me that we found that you can choose the layout manager that is used
> in
> > one of the options. Is this true? I would like to know this also,
> > because a hard coded layout manager is not what we're after either.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kristi
> > sm...@osler.wustl.edu
>
>

From: "Bob Lytle" <bly...@policon.com>
Subject: Re: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/06/22
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Charles, I like J++ too, or did like it, until I got into JDBC.  Seems
Microsoft wants eveyone to use DAO or RDO to connect with an ODBC source. 
Fine, if everyone has it.  You can't even compile a simple java.sql.* call
with J++!

Tha being said, I *still* use J++ for everything else, and then kick to the
command line for DB compiling...

Charles <can...@tiger.gtc.georgetonw.ky.us> wrote in article
<33AB64BD...@tiger.gtc.georgetonw.ky.us>...
> Well Chris, thanks for the insight BUT I think people want valid
> information.  I don't know if you have used J++ yourself but I have.  So
> in that case, I'll clear up some misleeading information that I'm sure
> you didn't mean to give:
<snip>
>     I do use J++, and for anyone curious I like it a lot.  It has
> excellent debugging resources, a nice color coded editor, quick access
> to class/file info, quick reference to java classes, and a lot of little
> things that make it an excellent environment to build java programs in...
<snip>

From: thor...@luxurylink.com (Thornton Prime)
Subject: Re: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/06/22
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In article <01bc7f4b$9ecad920$9a4346cf@boblytle>, 
"Bob Lytle" <bly...@policon.com> wrote:
>Charles, I like J++ too, or did like it, until I got into JDBC.  Seems
>Microsoft wants eveyone to use DAO or RDO to connect with an ODBC source. 
>Fine, if everyone has it.  You can't even compile a simple java.sql.* call
>with J++!

You should be able to use JDBC if you install the SDK 2.0 Preview 
and jump through the hoops of installing the SDK into the Visual 
J++ places. Please be sure not to try to use Type 1 or 2 JDBC 
drivers, because Microsoft uses a different native code 
interface, and your stuff won't work except with JVIEW.EXE.

That said. I hate Visual J++ :-). My vote for best IDE is Cafe.

Thornton

From: umi...@mcs.drexel.edu (Matt Inger)
Subject: Re: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/06/25
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Thornton Prime (thor...@luxurylink.com) wrote:
: In article <01bc7f4b$9ecad920$9a4346cf@boblytle>, 
"Bob Lytle" <bly...@policon.com> wrote:

: drivers, because Microsoft uses a different native code 
: interface, and your stuff won't work except with JVIEW.EXE.

Surpries suprise.  Microsoft does something that is incompatible with
everything.  Wow.

: That said. I hate Visual J++ :-). My vote for best IDE is Cafe.

My vote is for good old emacs, and command line jdk

: Thornton


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From: Andrew Veliath <vel...@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Best Java Code editor
Date: 1997/06/26
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>>>>> Matt Inger writes:

    Matt> : drivers, because Microsoft uses a different native code :
    Matt> interface, and your stuff won't work except with JVIEW.EXE.

    Matt> Surpries suprise.  Microsoft does something that is
    Matt> incompatible with everything.  Wow.

    Matt> : That said. I hate Visual J++ :-). My vote for best IDE is
    Matt> Cafe.

    Matt> My vote is for good old emacs, and command line jdk

    Matt> : Thornton

Emacs (or XEmacs) is my pick too (using Emacs 19.34 under NT to write
this letter now ;-).

I use it sometimes, but I don't like Visual J++ due to it's strange
incompatibilities with everything else (I'm ashamed that I even bought
Visual Studio 97 that included this thing) and so far crappy support
for JDK 1.1.

I am sticking with the command-line tools which I can use under NT and
Linux.

-- 
Andrew Veliath <vel...@frontiernet.net>

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