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From: "Ross Crawford" <rcrawford@csi.com>
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Subject: LegOS forced to use another name?
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Article here:

http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,16981,FF.html

says TLC may be talking to Marcus Noga about his use of "LegOS" for the
open-source operating system for the Mindstorms RCX (see last page). I can see
their point. Personally, I think "NogOS" has a bit of a ring to it 8?)

What does everyone else think?

ROSCO

PS: Not sure I like being referred to as a "hard-core gadget freak" (p4)
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From: "Ralph Hempel" <rhempel@bmts.com>
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Subject: RE: LegOS forced to use another name?
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Ross crawford points to:

> http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,16981,FF.html
> 
> says TLC may be talking to Marcus Noga about his use of "LegOS" for the
> open-source operating system for the Mindstorms RCX (see last 
> page). I can see
> their point. Personally, I think "NogOS" has a bit of a ring to it 8?)

I can see their point too. As long as it's only about the
name then I can't see anyone getting too upset. It's just
a name, after all.

But if it's about the replacement firmware, then I have more to worry
about. So do the supporters of leJOS, users of Kekoa's minimal run-time
library, and anyone using gcc tools to program their bots.

I'm going to sit back for a bit and see what happens. If anyone
at TLG is reading this (and I'm sure you are) please contact
me via email to confirm or deny the story.

I have a major new release of pbForth in the pipes, but now I'm
worried that any time I spend on it will be fruitless....

Cheers, Ralph Hempel - P.Eng

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From: "Luis Villa" <liv@duke.edu>
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Subject: Re: LegOS forced to use another name?
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Having registered legOS.sourceforge.net (on Markus's word that TLG had
given him permission to use the name), having run the last release of
legOS, and having not heard anything from TLG myself, I can say that
there are no plans in this corner of the world to change any of the
information on legOS.sourceforge.net (including the information in the
official 0.2.5 release files) until I've actually heard from TLG. So
far, that hasn't happened, so nothing is changing.

I'll note, for the record, that TLG has been aware of legOS for 2 1/2
years without having ever publicly complained about it. I guess that's
what irritates me about this. They've had plenty of time to complain
about this before now.

Luis

In lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos, Ross Crawford writes:
>Article here:
>
>http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,16981,FF.html
>
>says TLC may be talking to Marcus Noga about his use of "LegOS" for the
>open-source operating system for the Mindstorms RCX (see last page). I can see
>their point. Personally, I think "NogOS" has a bit of a ring to it 8?)
>
>What does everyone else think?
>
>ROSCO
>
>PS: Not sure I like being referred to as a "hard-core gadget freak" (p4)
>PPS: follow-ups to lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos

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In lugnet.robotics.rcx.legos, Luis Villa writes:
>
>I'll note, for the record, that TLG has been aware of legOS for 2 1/2
>years without having ever publicly complained about it. I guess that's
>what irritates me about this. They've had plenty of time to complain
>about this before now.

Yeah, I saw your post on slashdot after I'd posted the link here. As you say,
if they don't defend their trademark within a reasonable time, they lose the
right to do so. I guess the best course of action in this case is "no action"!!

ROSCO

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From: "Markus L. Noga" <markus@noga.de>
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Hello everybody,

there has been a lot of discussion about the Business 2.0 article in their
forums, on Slashdot and here at LUGNET. I followed all of them closely until
Tuesday afternoon, but rather less so in the days since.

I also received several personal emails, some of them heated, some of them
well-reflected, urging one way or another. All of them were read, and many
were replied to.

LEGO and I have been in contact since Friday. So far, all sides have been
calm and civil about the issue. I am confident that we will shortly reach an
agreement that reflects everyone's best interests.

Markus.

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