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From: jlph7@fel.tno.nl (Joost van Lawick van Pabst)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Linux-0.11
Message-ID: <1992Jan13.120357.5333@fel.tno.nl>
Date: 13 Jan 92 12:03:57 GMT
Organization: TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
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I have just got a copy of Linux-0.11 and I have a number of questions.

1] If my PC runs under Linux, is it possible to ftp, rlogin, rsh etc. to
   other UNIX machines? 

2] Is it possible to run X11?

3] I have 1 40Mb harddisk with one partition. If I run mkfs, what happens?
   should I first create another partition in DOS or does mkfs sort these 
   thinks out?

4] How reliable is Linux-0.11?

5] What are the differences, pro and cons compared to Minix?

Joost




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From: duncan@ssdd475a.erim.org (Robert Duncan)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: Linux-0.11
Message-ID: <DUNCAN.92Jan13110654@ssdd475a.erim.org>
Date: 13 Jan 92 17:06:54 GMT
References: <1992Jan13.120357.5333@fel.tno.nl>
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In-reply-to: jlph7@fel.tno.nl's message of 13 Jan 92 12:03:57 GMT


In article <1992Jan13.120357.5333@fel.tno.nl> jlph7@fel.tno.nl 
(Joost van Lawick van Pabst)
writes:

>   From: jlph7@fel.tno.nl (Joost van Lawick van Pabst)
>   Date: 13 Jan 92 12:03:57 GMT
 
>   I have just got a copy of Linux-0.11 and I have a number of questions.
>
>   1] If my PC runs under Linux, is it possible to ftp, rlogin, rsh etc. to
>      other UNIX machines? 

No, not until ethernet, etc. support is added.

>   2] Is it possible to run X11?

Not yet.

>   3] I have 1 40Mb harddisk with one partition. If I run mkfs, what happens?
>      should I first create another partition in DOS or does mkfs sort these 
>      thinks out?

If you run mkfs you will have an empty 40Mb Linux (currently the same fs as
Minix) file system.  You should make at least one partition (using dos fdisk
or some better partition tool) for each operating system that you want to
run from your hard disk.
 
>   4] How reliable is Linux-0.11?

Pretty good for a beta version of an operating system that's apparently
only a few months old.  There are small bugs in the current version and the
operating system does not yet have every desired service available.  It is
mostly useful, in its current state, for people who are willing to work on
porting code, or writing new code. 
   
>   5] What are the differences, pro and cons compared to Minix?

Con: 
- Linux is not as mature as Minix, there is less working software right now.
- Linux vers 0.11 doesn't even have login yet, you are root all the time.
- Linux will only work on 386 and 486 processors.
- Linux needs 2M of memory just to run, 4M to be useful.
- Linux is a more traditional unix kernel, it doesn't use message passing. 

Pro:
- Linux is free, and freely distributable.
- Linux has some advanced features such as:
  - Memory paging with copy-on-write
  - Demand loading of executables
  - Page sharing of executables
  - Multi-threaded file system
- The next version (still beta) due out this month will have job control and
  virtual memory, virtual consoles and psuedo-ttys.
- Linux is a more traditional unix kernel, it doesn't use message passing. 

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From: drew@anchor.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Linux-0.11
Message-ID: <1992Jan14.090756.21579@colorado.edu>
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In article <1992Jan13.120357.5333@fel.tno.nl> jlph7@fel.tno.nl 
(Joost van Lawick van Pabst)
writes:
>I have just got a copy of Linux-0.11 and I have a number of questions.
>
>1] If my PC runs under Linux, is it possible to ftp, rlogin, rsh etc. to
>   other UNIX machines? 
>2] Is it possible to run X11?

Once SLIP and the Xserver are ported.


>3] I have 1 40Mb harddisk with one partition. If I run mkfs, what happens?
>   should I first create another partition in DOS or does mkfs sort these 
>   thinks out?

You create a partition under DOS or using your favorite partitioning
software or a sector editor on the partition table.  You then run
mkfs with that device specified as the "target"


>4] How reliable is Linux-0.11?

fairly.  .12 should be out within days, fixing some bugs,
adding the patches and new goodies people added to .11, 
and will have swapping to disk.

>5] What are the differences, pro and cons compared to Minix?
>

Pros:

This is a full blown 386 Unix, not a toy.  Full 32 bits, not
segmented.

 
64M (That's Megabyte, as in 1024K) per process limit .
Memory protection.
Virtual memory operations, including shared copy on write 
pages, demmand loading, and soon page swapping.
Nearly 100% POSIX and SYSV compatable.  This means many "ports" are
as easy as typing make.

Free, with free source.

User/hacker supplied modifications are included in the next release.
These have included job control, virtual consoles, etc, and in the 
future goodies like SCSI support will be added.


Cons:
Linux IS still under development, Minix is a finished product.  

>
>
 
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>Name:     Ir J van Lawick van Pabst  |  TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
>Email:             jlph7@fel.tno.nl  |       Oude Waalsdorperweg 63, The Hague
>Phone:             +31 70 326 42 21  |         PO Box 96864, 2509 JG The Hague
>Fax:               +31 70 328 09 61  |                         The Netherlands

From: sulkanen@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov (Martin Sulkanen - NRC/ES65)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: Linux-0.11
Message-ID: <sulkanen.695693813@xanth>
Date: 18 Jan 92 00:16:53 GMT
References: <1992Jan13.120357.5333@fel.tno.nl> <1992Jan14.090756.21579@colorado.edu>
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drew@anchor.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:

>In article <1992Jan13.120357.5333@fel.tno.nl> jlph7@fel.tno.nl 
(Joost van Lawick van Pabst)
writes:
>>I have just got a copy of Linux-0.11 and I have a number of questions.
>>
>>1] If my PC runs under Linux, is it possible to ftp, rlogin, rsh etc. to
>>   other UNIX machines? 
>>2] Is it possible to run X11?
 
>Once SLIP and the Xserver are ported.


>>4] How reliable is Linux-0.11?
 
>fairly.  .12 should be out within days, fixing some bugs,
>adding the patches and new goodies people added to .11, 
>and will have swapping to disk.
 
>>5] What are the differences, pro and cons compared to Minix?
>>
 
>Pros:
 
>This is a full blown 386 Unix, not a toy.  Full 32 bits, not
>segmented.
 
> 
>64M (That's Megabyte, as in 1024K) per process limit .
>Memory protection.
>Virtual memory operations, including shared copy on write 
>pages, demmand loading, and soon page swapping.
>Nearly 100% POSIX and SYSV compatable.  This means many "ports" are
>as easy as typing make.
 
>Free, with free source.
 
>User/hacker supplied modifications are included in the next release.
>These have included job control, virtual consoles, etc, and in the 
>future goodies like SCSI support will be added.


>Cons:
>Linux IS still under development, Minix is a finished product.  
 
>>
>>
 
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>>Name:     Ir J van Lawick van Pabst  |  TNO Physics and Electronics Laboratory
>>Email:             jlph7@fel.tno.nl  |       Oude Waalsdorperweg 63, The Hague
>>Phone:             +31 70 326 42 21  |         PO Box 96864, 2509 JG The Hague
>>Fax:               +31 70 328 09 61  |                         The Netherlands

what are the chances linux will be ported to macintosh?

thanks.


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From: torvalds@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds)
Newsgroups: comp.os.minix
Subject: Re: Linux-0.11
Message-ID: <1992Jan20.001203.18340@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Date: 20 Jan 92 00:12:03 GMT
References: <1992Jan13.120357.5333@fel.tno.nl> <1992Jan14.090756.21579@colorado.edu>
<sulkanen.695693813@xanth>
Followup-To: alt.os.linux
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In article <sulkanen.695693813@xanth> sulkanen@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov 
(Martin Sulkanen - NRC/ES65)
writes:
>
>what are the chances linux will be ported to macintosh?

None. Or at least /very/ small. I wrote linux partly to learn the 386
architecture (and boy did I), so it uses every conceivable feature I
could find. It is also written in assembler to a greater degree than
really necessary (I wrote parts of linux defore I fully knew the gcc
inline assembler syntax, so I wrote more in assembler when I started the
thing than actually necessary).

Also NOTE! I have changed the followup-to to alt.os.linux: comp.os.minix
isn't the place to discuss linux, and this is absolutely the last post
I'm going to answer on this forum, as people have been irritated by the
number of posts.  Sorry.  For those not able to read the alt-groups, we
are working on a comp.os.linux, but it will take time.

		Linus

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From: comrade@uniwa.uwa.oz.au (Peter Cooper)
Subject: Re: Linux-0.11
Message-ID: <1992Jan20.035004.11322@uniwa.uwa.oz.au>
Organization: University of Western Australia
References: <1992Jan13.120357.5333@fel.tno.nl> <1992Jan14.090756.21579@colorado.edu>
<sulkanen.695693813@xanth>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1992 03:50:04 GMT
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sulkanen@xanth.msfc.nasa.gov (Martin Sulkanen - NRC/ES65) writes:

>drew@anchor.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
 
>what are the chances linux will be ported to macintosh?
 
>thanks.

Practically nil. Linux is heavily based on the 386 protected mode
architecture (There are lots of bits of assembler scattered thru the
kernel and libraries). This si not to say that a port is IMPOSSIBLE,
just much more trouble than it's worth. You may as well re-write from
scratch.


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