Path: sparky!uunet!usc!rpi!bu.edu!csa!buckley From: buck...@csa.bu.edu (David Buckley) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux Subject: Job Ctrl && $$->programmers (How?) Keywords: jobs, money, bash, happy Message-ID: <83443@bu.edu> Date: 7 Apr 92 08:24:28 GMT Sender: n...@bu.edu Reply-To: buck...@csa.UUCP (David Buckley) Organization: Computer Science Department, Boston University, Boston, MA, USA Lines: 21 Is there some version of jsh, or some implementation of the functions fg, bg, %[n] etc... I didn't find them on the version of bash I am using. Are there several versions of bash? How do we get access to job ctrl? I know these exist from reading previous postings, are they hiding or should I chmod u+rwx mybrain.out? Also, is there some list of developers-port|ers so that it might be easyer to direct financial contributions to this venture? I haven't seen any postings with regards to how and to who money should be donated, and I think it would be interesting to be able to direct donations for specific implementations (our unix favourites), beyond Linux itself. Such a posting (I feel) would be greately appreciated. I am very impressed with the work being done! (As a newbie-linuxite I would love to contribute...) David Yates Buckley | Disclaimer: Recursive lunacy is buck...@buphy.bu.edu, @csa.bu.edu | employed in the most trivial tasks...
Path: sparky!uunet!mcsun!news.funet.fi!hydra!klaava!torvalds From: torva...@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Benedict Torvalds) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux Subject: Re: Job Ctrl && $$->programmers (How?) Keywords: jobs, money, bash, happy Message-ID: <1992Apr9.144903.19540@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Date: 9 Apr 92 14:49:03 GMT References: <83443@bu.edu> Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 73 In article <83...@bu.edu> buck...@csa.UUCP (David Buckley) writes: > > Is there some version of jsh, or some implementation of the >functions fg, bg, %[n] etc... I didn't find them on the version of >bash I am using. Are there several versions of bash? How do we get >access to job ctrl? I know these exist from reading previous >postings, are they hiding or should I chmod u+rwx mybrain.out? Yes, there are several versions of bash existing - some of them are /very/ old. I don't know if the original bash.Z is still somehwre to be found, but it was not too long ago, and that is the version I used under 0.01, long before linux had job control. That version certainly doesn't support job control. Versions of bash that support job control (including the builtins fg, bg, kill, jobs etc) are available on older root-disks, notably the 0.95 (not "a") rootdisk. I don't know where to find a "standalone" version of bash - I know somebody ported bash 1.12 (the one on the rootdisk is 1.11 patch-level 1, although I think "help" returns 0.00.1). You might want to check out the abc-release when it gets out - right now the binaries under linux are a major mess (different versions under the same name etc...), but this will eventually be sorted out, I hope. > Also, is there some list of developers-port|ers so that >it might be easyer to direct financial contributions to this venture? >I haven't seen any postings with regards to how and to who money >should be donated, and I think it would be interesting to be able >to direct donations for specific implementations (our unix favourites), >beyond Linux itself. Such a posting (I feel) would be greately >appreciated. I have never felt anybody needed to pay for linux - I didn't want to make it share-ware, and I never wanted to make it commercial. The biggest reason I started on linux at all was that I had no good unix and no money - I wanted a totally free unix (not "GNU-free", but "no-money" free - the "GNU-free" came later). I still have no money, but at least I've got the unix :) In fact, the earliest copyrights expressly forbid /any/ money at all changing hands due to linux - the above was the reason. As the system actually became useable, I had to change my mind - I don't mind people making money off linux, as long as it essentially is available for free as well, which it is. I still feel strongly about the money-thing though - I don't want to encumber the "official" version with any kind of pleas for money. If I had something like "if you enjoy this package, please send $10 to xxx" it might scare away people from then sending other feedback (bugreports etc), as they didn't send the money... As it is, linux has no special "registered users" which get special treatment by me - if you are porting something important, I might give your troubles more thought than the average user, but I try to answer every problem that gets reported (even if it's just a "sorry, can't help this one" or "it's a known problem, I don't know the cure", "hardware dependant"). One thing I would appreciate is people sending me postcards from all over the world: I don't want to be a new Craig Shergold, but it might be fun to see where linux is used :^). Postcards (with least name and location written in for reference) could be sent to: Linus Torvalds Pietarinkatu 2 A 2 00140 Helsinki Finland and maybe I'll wallpaper my room with them :). Or maybe not. Linus PS. If you have contacts with hardware suppliers, and would like to get things like multi-serial cards/tape streamers etc supported... I just might be persuaded to try it out :-)