Tech Insider					     Technology and Trends


			      USENET Archives

Path: sparky!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!
usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu!po.CWRU.Edu!mal11
From: ma...@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: DISASTER AT MIT!!!!!
Date: 1 Sep 1992 23:18:34 GMT
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA)
Lines: 13
Message-ID: <180toaINNnaa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Reply-To: ma...@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A. Lewis)
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu



Someone seriously need to do some housekeeping in the LINUX directories
on TSX-11.MIT.EDU. It's a wreck.

Anyone up to it???????


-- 
MaThiEu a. LeWis      "There is no middle ground/Or that's how it seems/For 
Thieves Like Us        us to walk or to take/Instead we tumble down/Either
ma...@po.cwru.edu      side left or right/To love or to hate."
					-A Strange Kind of Love

Path: sparky!uunet!gumby!wupost!psuvax1!psuvm!mxd120
Organization: Penn State University
X-Subliminal-Message: oomogswoc rules!!!!
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1992 13:02:56 EDT
From: Beaker <MXD...@psuvm.psu.edu>
Message-ID: <92246.130256MXD120@psuvm.psu.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DISASTER AT MIT!!!!!
References:  <180toaINNnaa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Lines: 23

In article <180toaINN...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ma...@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A.
Lewis) says:
>
>Someone seriously need to do some housekeeping in the LINUX directories
>on TSX-11.MIT.EDU. It's a wreck.
>

This is a very selfish thing to say.  For one thing, the maintainer of
tsx-11 is keeping the archives out of his own kind heart.  Second,
what is wrong with them?  IMHO, everything is where it should be.  It's
not like there are 10,000 files in /pub/linux.  There is also a ls-ltr
file there if you get confused with all the nested directories.  Just
get the file, and print it out on a line printer.  Tsx-11 is also set
up with symbolic links to make life easier.

Someone also mentioned about using descriptors for the directory structure.
This would be more trouble than it would be worth.  For one thing, someone
has to make all of the descriptions.  More important, linux is not
supposed to be a system for beginning unix users.  Just about any unix
user should be able to recognize a file like groff.tar.Z as the GNU
version of nroff.

--Beaker

Path: sparky!uunet!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!kodak!eastman!ashleigh!talley
From: tal...@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: DISASTER AT MIT!!!!!
Summary: no it isn't
Message-ID: <3598@eastman.UUCP>
Date: 3 Sep 92 13:35:03 GMT
References: <180toaINNnaa@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> <92246.130256MXD120@psuvm.psu.edu>
Sender: n...@eastman.UUCP
Followup-To: comp.os.linux
Organization: Eastman Kodak Co., Rochester, NY
Lines: 66

In article <92246.130256MXD...@psuvm.psu.edu> MXD...@psuvm.psu.edu (Beaker) writes:
>In article <180toaINN...@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ma...@po.CWRU.Edu (Matthew A.
>Lewis) says:
>>
>>Someone seriously need to do some housekeeping in the LINUX directories
>>on TSX-11.MIT.EDU. It's a wreck.
>
>This is a very selfish thing to say.  For one thing, the maintainer of
>tsx-11 is keeping the archives out of his own kind heart.  Second,

Well, yes, it is kinda selfish, and yes, the maintainer is doing a Good Thing
by allowing us to use his machine.

>what is wrong with them?  IMHO, everything is where it should be.  It's

While I don't think anything *needs* to be done (everything is in it's place),
there's a little bit of work that could be done to perhaps make things a little
easier to understand.  By this I mean filenames could be more descriptive and
older versions could be moved to subdirectories.

>not like there are 10,000 files in /pub/linux.  There is also a ls-ltr
>file there if you get confused with all the nested directories.  Just
>get the file, and print it out on a line printer.

This is fine if you know what you're looking for.  Granted each file appears to
be explained in either the README or FAQ for a given package.

[stuff deleted]

>Someone also mentioned about using descriptors for the directory structure.
>This would be more trouble than it would be worth.

Agreed.

[more stuff deleted]

>                                     More important, linux is not
>supposed to be a system for beginning unix users.  Just about any unix

'Scuse me?  Why not?  What's with MCC and SLS, then?  Nice, painless procedures
designed for DOS pups, no?  Linux is not a finished, polished, finely tuned OS
yet, despite it's stability and the number of features, and some rough edges
may screw up those beginning to use Unix, but I think Linux is an excellent way
to introduce folks to Unix!

>user should be able to recognize a file like groff.tar.Z as the GNU
>version of nroff.

That's easy.  It's things like 2.2.2dfix5.tar.Z or 2.2.2dg1.tar.Z that aren't
necessarily readily apparent even to those familiar with Unix. As I said above,
these files are explained in the FAQs and READMEs.

>
>--Beaker

It may be unclear what each file on tsx-11:/pub/linux does, and if it's so
unclear you can't deal with it, then stick to SLS, read and re-read the FAQs,
ask questions, etc., but don't say the site is a mess. The canned installation
packages exist for folks unfamiliar with Unix who want to give Unix a try, and
folks who don't have the desire/time to futz around looking for everything
from different ftp sites.

--Brian
__________
Brian Talley, Systems Consultant, Eastman Kodak Research Labs, Rochester, NY
tal...@ashleigh.kodak.com

Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Path: sparky!uunet!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-picayune.mit.edu!daemon
From: ty...@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Subject: Re: DISASTER AT MIT!!!!!
Message-ID: <1992Sep3.185950.8587@athena.mit.edu>
Sender: dae...@athena.mit.edu (Mr Background)
Reply-To: ty...@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
Organization: The Internet
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1992 18:59:50 GMT
Lines: 47

   From: tal...@ashleigh.Kodak.COM (Brian K. Talley)
   Date: 3 Sep 92 13:35:03 GMT

   >user should be able to recognize a file like groff.tar.Z as the GNU
   >version of nroff.

   That's easy.  It's things like 2.2.2dfix5.tar.Z or 2.2.2dg1.tar.Z
   that aren't necessarily readily apparent even to those familiar with
   Unix.

You neglected to mention that those files were in in the
/pub/linux/packages/GCC subdirectory..... that makes it a little bit
more obvious what the files, are, no?  In any case, that subdirectory is
entirely maintained by H.J., so if you have any problems with it, you
can take it up with him.  However....

.... let me point out, that most of the people who have spent time
working on Linux are doing so because it is fun.  Certainly, I am not
getting paid for this.  Having people tell me in public that my FTP
server is "A DISASTER" is not terribly conducive to making it fun for me
to run TSX-11 as a Linux FTP server.  After all, I'd much rather be
kernel hacking.  :-)

So if something about Linux bothers you, I encourage you to think about
(1) how much you've paid for Linux, and (2) exactly what you owe the
other person and what the other person owes you.  If you wish to make
friends and influence people, you would probably do well to think twice
before saying or writing something inflamtory or insulting to them,
especially in a public forum.  Speaking for myself, I certainly don't
mind _polite_ suggestions sent to me privately, or even not-so-polite
suggestions sent via private email (although those I may still delete
before reading).

If you find something on TSX-11 which doesn't work, or which you
believe is obselete, please send mail to ftp-li...@TSX-11.MIT.EDU.
INCLUDE THE FULL PATHNAME OF THE FILE AND WHY YOU THINK IT IS OBSOLETE.
If someone wants to write INDEX files with a one-line description of
each file in a particular directory, go ahead and do so.  If you send it
to ftp-li...@TSX-11.MIT.EDU, and if it is accurate, I will be more than
happy to install it.

Before I close, I want to extend my thanks to all of the people who sent
me supportive letters, either publically in comp.os.linux or privately
via email.  It's always nice to get some appreciative letters instead of
some flames.  :-)

						- Ted

			        About USENET

USENET (Users’ Network) was a bulletin board shared among many computer
systems around the world. USENET was a logical network, sitting on top
of several physical networks, among them UUCP, BLICN, BERKNET, X.25, and
the ARPANET. Sites on USENET included many universities, private companies
and research organizations. See USENET Archives.

		       SCO Files Lawsuit Against IBM

March 7, 2003 - The SCO Group filed legal action against IBM in the State 
Court of Utah for trade secrets misappropriation, tortious interference, 
unfair competition and breach of contract. The complaint alleges that IBM 
made concentrated efforts to improperly destroy the economic value of 
UNIX, particularly UNIX on Intel, to benefit IBM's Linux services 
business. See SCO vs IBM.

The materials and information included in this website may only be used
for purposes such as criticism, review, private study, scholarship, or
research.

Electronic mail:			       WorldWideWeb:
   tech-insider@outlook.com			  http://tech-insider.org/