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From: m...@eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk (Matthew Roderick - KID01)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Fair Price for Linux ?
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Date: 18 Jan 93 10:05:35 GMT
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I've just spotted an add in a UK mag call Micro Mart (14 Januart 1993)
Page 69. 

*-------*
32-bit PC Unix operating system!
Linux 0.98 base system		15 pounds
Linux 0.98 extras		19 pounds
X-Windows (X11R5) 		19 pounds
Comprehensive Linux System	45 pounds
(*These prices exclude VAT and delivery*)

Novtec Systems, 53 Exeter Road, Selly Oak, Birmingham.
Tel. 021 456 5759
Fax. 021 455 7472
*-------*


Does anyone thing 15 pounds is a fair price for 2 disks ? (base system)
or are these people making a profit from Linux ?

Is Linux VATable (Value Added Tax), does it have any value (in the eyes of the
tax man ?>!)

Any comments ?

Matthew


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From: s...@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Stephen Tweedie)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Fair Price for Linux ?
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In-Reply-To: mat@eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk's message of 18 Jan 93 10:05:35 GMT

In article <1...@dsbc.icl.co.uk>, m...@eccles.dsbc.icl.co.uk 
(Matthew Roderick - KID01) writes:
> I've just spotted an add in a UK mag call Micro Mart (14 Januart 1993)
> Page 69. 

> *-------*
> 32-bit PC Unix operating system!
> Linux 0.98 base system		15 pounds
> Linux 0.98 extras		19 pounds
> X-Windows (X11R5) 		19 pounds
> Comprehensive Linux System	45 pounds
> (*These prices exclude VAT and delivery*)

> Does anyone thing 15 pounds is a fair price for 2 disks ? (base system)
> or are these people making a profit from Linux ?

Well, that advert has been running in Micro Mart for at least two
months, so I guess these folk must get enough custom for it to be
worth their while.  So, there must be people out there who think it a
fair price.

The same advert (at least in its latest incarnation) also promises
support on their distributions; I don't know the quality of that
support, but if they can do anything to help people get Linux up and
running then I reckon that the price is not all that bad.  For folk
who would otherwise have to dial a bulletin board (us UK sufferers
under British Telecom get charged extortionate local call rates, but
that's another story), being able to buy the disks pre-loaded must be
a real saving.

Regards,
 Stephen Tweedie.
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Department of Computer Science, Edinburgh University, Scotland.

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From: torva...@klaava.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds)
Subject: Re: Fair Price for Linux ?
Message-ID: <1993Jan20.223716.4160@klaava.Helsinki.FI>
Organization: University of Helsinki
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This is just a general reply - it's not a followup to any particular
post (I picked one at random to follow-up to), and is just another
statement of my position.  The issue has come up before, but I'm happy
that there are new linux users, and it might not hurt to re-iterate.  I
hope the thread will die down, at least as far as the "fair price" thing
is concerned. 

The fact is, that as far as I'm concerned, I'm actually pretty happy
every time I see somebody is selling linux for money now that I feel
it's actually worth it (the copyrights for versions prior to 0.12
disallowed any monetary gains at all - the changes to linux has made
that something I don't worry about any more).  If people are willing to
pay for getting linux on disks (either from SLS or the minix-centre or
whatever), either due to the fact that it's easier to get that way or
because they don't have access to ftp, a service of this kind is needed. 

I don't actually want to be personally associated with any of the
packages: I'm busy enough as it is keeping up the kernel, and I don't
want to be bothered with user-level details any more than I have to. 
This automatically means that somebody else has to do packaging - either
out of altruism or for personal gain or due to a mixture of the two. 
Personal gain will probably only help motivate people, so selling linux
probably also means that the party has tried to make the package as good
as possible, and makes it more likely that it is going to be kept up
which is only good for everybody. 

If people have asked, I've generally asked for a copy of the product
(notably of the CDROM of linux - I can't read it, but it's fun to have
anyway :-) and I prefer that the distribution makes it very clear what
the legal status of linux is before the actual sale (without being asked
for etc).  But as long as the copyleft is followed, I don't really mind
one way or the other (both of the above are just a simple courtesy to me
and the buyer respectively). 

As to the price - anything goes.  If somebody is able to sell linux for
more than about USD 1000 per installation, I'd certainly want to hear
about it to congratulate him (and stroke my ego a bit more - not that it
needs stroking as it's doing quite well as it is, thank you).  I think
most of the people who have written major parts of the kernel tend to
agree. 

		Linus

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