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From: djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson)
Subject: WE need to make some things happen
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 1993 10:10:24 GMT

Why do some of us use DOGS or WINDOZE?  Because of the assortment of
applications available, and game support.  What we need to do is to
make some things happen, that can put UNIX on more desktops in the US.
I would imagine games that take advantage of UNIX/X/tcp/ip that simply
would be difficult under DOGS.  Otherwize we all will be wasting our
time in the end under the wheels of MS and its NT.  

From: davidsen@yeti.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen)
Subject: Re: WE need to make some things happen
Date: 4 Mar 93 16:15:31 GMT
Reply-To: davidsen@crd.ge.com (bill davidsen)

In article <C3D09D.J9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, 
djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson) writes:
| Why do some of us use DOGS or WINDOZE?  Because of the assortment of
| applications available, and game support.  What we need to do is to
| make some things happen, that can put UNIX on more desktops in the US.
| I would imagine games that take advantage of UNIX/X/tcp/ip that simply
| would be difficult under DOGS.  Otherwize we all will be wasting our
| time in the end under the wheels of MS and its NT.             

  I think you will need some better apps running in UNIX rather than
games. As long as there are more DOS systems people will write for DOS,
and games in DOS get at the hardware at a low level to run fast. Some
killer business or OA apps running in UNIX and ported to Linux would be
nice..

  I hate to say it, but you need shrink wrap apps with a manual and
support number. And unless some billionare pays for it, that means
commercial software. You can't have it both ways, if you want free you
will not have support, if you don't have support you don't have volume.
Linux fills a useful markey niche, but I don't see any free software
sominating the market. Perhaps the $99 Linux will be commercial enough
to appeal to the typical buyer.

-- 
bill davidsen, GE Corp. R&D Center; Box 8; Schenectady NY 12345
    Windows NT is a *great* program!
    It's everything CP/M should have been all along.




From: sct@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Stephen Tweedie)
Subject: Re: WE need to make some things happen
Date: 9 Mar 93 15:25:02 GMT

In article <1993Mar4.220231.7469@netcom.com>, 
jsteele@netcom.com (John Steele) writes:
> In < 993Mar4.161531.21298@crd.ge.com> 
davidsen@yeti.crd.GE.COM (william E Davidsen) writes:
>>In article <C3D09D.J9@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, 
>>djr48312@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Dennis Robinson) writes:
>>| Why do some of us use DOGS or WINDOZE?  Because of the assortment of
>>| applications available, and game support.  What we need to do is to
>>| make some things happen, that can put UNIX on more desktops in the US.
>>| I would imagine games that take advantage of UNIX/X/tcp/ip that simply
>>| would be difficult under DOGS.  Otherwize we all will be wasting our
>>| time in the end under the wheels of MS and its NT.             

>>  I think you will need some better apps running in UNIX rather than
>>games. As long as there are more DOS systems people will write for DOS,
>>and games in DOS get at the hardware at a low level to run fast. Some
>>killer business or OA apps running in UNIX and ported to Linux would be
>>nice..

>   Unfortunately, I would have to agree.  Some applications are simply too
> time consuming to write, and too critical to switch OS's without.  I think
> we should try to encourage *any and ALL* development for Linux.  I love my
> 'free' software, but we still need commercial apps...

Yup - too true.

There was a post recently asking for opinions on releasing commercial
software for Linux.  I replied positively, but there were a number of
other replies to the effect of "No, Linux should be a _free_ system".

I think that it is important not to make this mistake - there is no
contradiction between keeping Linux itself free and encouraging third
parties to supply commercial applications for that free platform.

In fact, under the GPL, vendors might be able to supply the basic
Linux kit (with source) _free_ as a service to customers buying their
Linux-based applications.


Cheers,
 Stephen Tweedie.
---
Stephen Tweedie <sct@uk.ac.ed.dcs>   (Internet: <sct@dcs.ed.ac.uk>)
Department of Computer Science, Edinburgh University, Scotland.

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