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From: btadlock@wixer.bga.com (Bob Tadlock)
Subject: Xserver for ATI card
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1993 23:44:48 GMT

I have noticed alot of news articles concerning the ATI Graphics
Ultra Pro video card and X windows.
The proper Xserver for this card is XF86.mach32
With this Xserver you can use 1400x1240 virtual res. and
1280x1024 phyiscal res.
It also supports virtual console switching as Xfree does but
with this Xserver you can very very fast performance from the
ATI card.  Also, the developer of this Xserver gives support
like I have never seen.  My thanks to the developer, Keith Martin
has written a fantastic piece of code!  I wish all code was
written and supported by people like this!  If microsoft would
only write and support code like XF86.mach32, Bill Gates would
be worth alot more than 7 billion! Way to go Keith Martin!
Thanks to all the developers of Linux software!
Later!
bob tadlock    btadlock@wixer.bga.com

From: dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: ATI Graphics Ultra Pro/X8514 problems
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1993 00:21:57 GMT

In article <1993Jul30.010521.11906@wixer.bga.com> 
btadlock@wixer.bga.com (Bob Tadlock) writes:
> I have been reading comp.os.linux this evening and read about
> 20 articles concerning the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro video card
> and Xwindows.  It appears that many of you are trying to use
> Xfree.1.3 or X8514 Xserver with the ATI card.  That card in
> my opinion is one of the best and fastest for the PC, however,
> you need the correct Xserver that was written for the ATI card.
> The correct Xserver is XF86.mach32  with this Xserver you can
> do 1400x1240 virtual res, 1280x1024 phyiscal res, and have all the
> features of Xfree.1.3 including switching to a virtual text
> based console.  I use the ATI Graphics Ultra Pro 2MB EISA and
> it works great with XF86.Mach32 Xserver, no problems or bugs!
> The X8514 is a good server but the XF86.Mach32 server is the 
> one for the card.
> Thanks!
> Bob Tadlock  btadlock@wixer.bga.com
>  

Except for one little problem.  That server is not available to anyone who
is not part of the XFree86 development team.  It is ALPHA code, which we
have not made available.  Since you are not a member of the beta team
I would love to know how you got it, because whoever gave it to you
violated the rules they agreed to when they joined out team.  This code
is NOT to be distributed.  Period.

There will be a call for beta-testers when we get the stuff ready.  We
are working on it.

Anyone violating our no-distribution policy will be summarily dismissed
from the team, if we find out who did it.  We have very few rules; this
is the only significant one that we ask people to abide by.  It's very
plain, and very simple.

--
David Wexelblat <dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com>  (908) 957-5871  Fax: (908) 957-5305
AT&T Bell Laboratories, 200 Laurel Ave - 3F-428, Middletown, NJ  07748

XFree86 requests should be addressed to <xfree86@physics.su.oz.au>

"Just remember that the gold's for us to capture all we want" 
        -- Yes, Your Move

From: btadlock@wixer.bga.com (Bob Tadlock)
Subject: ATI GUP Xserver & libc version
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1993 06:04:20 GMT

I posted info as to where to find the Mach32 Xserver for the
ATI Graphics Ultra Pro video card but I forgot to mention that
you also need libc.so.4.4.3
Sorry about that !
BTW the Xserver can be found at:
ftp.cs.unc.edu
/pub/martin/mach32/bin
XF86_Mach32
The Xserver fully supports this ATI Card including all the features
of Xfree (virtual terminal switching ) plus 1280x1024 phy. res. if
you monitor can handle it also 1400x1240 virtual screen res.
Good Luck!
Bob Tadlock   btadlock@wixer.bga.com

From: dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: ATI GUP Xserver & libc version
Date: 1 Aug 93 16:28:03 GMT

In article <1993Aug1.060420.6533@wixer.bga.com> 
btadlock@wixer.bga.com (Bob Tadlock) writes:
> I posted info as to where to find the Mach32 Xserver for the
> ATI Graphics Ultra Pro video card but I forgot to mention that
> you also need libc.so.4.4.3
> Sorry about that !
> BTW the Xserver can be found at:
> ftp.cs.unc.edu
> /pub/martin/mach32/bin
> XF86_Mach32
> The Xserver fully supports this ATI Card including all the features
> of Xfree (virtual terminal switching ) plus 1280x1024 phy. res. if
> you monitor can handle it also 1400x1240 virtual screen res.
> Good Luck!
> Bob Tadlock btadlock@wixer.bga.com
> 
> 
> 

And again, I post...

This is NOT public code. If you use it, you will not receive any support
from the XFree86 community. Please respect our wishes, and do not use code
that has not been publically released.

--
David Wexelblat <dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com> (908) 957-5871 Fax: (908) 957-5305
AT&T Bell Laboratories, 200 Laurel Ave - 3F-428, Middletown, NJ 07748

XFree86 requests should be addressed to <xfree86@physics.su.oz.au>

"Shining, flying, purple wolfhound, show me where you are."
Yes, "Yours Is No Disgrace"

From: lecuona@klinzhai.rutgers.edu (Maureen Lecuona)
Subject: Re: ATI GUP Xserver & libc version
Date: 2 Aug 93 16:07:00 GMT

dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E. Wexelblat) writes:

>And again, I post...

>This is NOT public code.  If you use it, you will not receive any support
>from the XFree86 community.  Please respect our wishes, and do not use code
>that has not been publically released.
>--
>David Wexelblat <dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com>  (908) 957-5871  Fax: (908) 957-5305

Is the ATI ULTRA PRO useable at all with Xfree without the code we shouldn't
use?  I mean, if it isn't useable, you can hardly blame people for attempting
to get the version that exists, whether it's bug free or not...

I understand that the Xfree group won't support such users, and that's only
fair, but why is it such a big deal if someone shares the code, it's not
like anyone is getting paid here, right? :)


-- 
|| maureen  || For this world that men have made, none of us is bad enough.
||          || For the world that made us, none is good enough.    -Edward Abbey
|| lecuona  || Those who dream of the joys of living in a space colony should 
||          || live in a space colony.                             -Edward Abbey  

From: dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: ATI GUP Xserver & libc version
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1993 20:34:59 GMT

In article <Aug.2.12.07.00.1993.10280@klinzhai.rutgers.edu> 
lecuona@klinzhai.rutgers.edu (Maureen Lecuona) writes:
> dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E. Wexelblat) writes:
> 
> >And again, I post...
> 
> >This is NOT public code.  If you use it, you will not receive any support
> >from the XFree86 community.  Please respect our wishes, and do not use code
> >that has not been publically released.
> >--
> >David Wexelblat < dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com>  (908) 957-5871  Fax: (908) 957-5305
> 
> Is the ATI ULTRA PRO useable at all with Xfree without the code we shouldn't
> use?  I mean, if it isn't useable, you can hardly blame people for attempting
> to get the version that exists, whether it's bug free or not...

Yes, it is usable, as an SVGA.

> 
> I understand that the Xfree group won't support such users, and that's only
> fair, but why is it such a big deal if someone shares the code, it's not
> like anyone is getting paid here, right? :)
> 

Because we choose our own software development and release procedures, and we
choose to live without the anarchy of the Linux development methodology.  We
have been badly burnt once in the past due to pre-release code being 
distributed to people.  The first SLS went out with an ALPHA XFree86 release,
not even a beta release (remember 1.0Ya?).  We answered HUNDREDS of email
messages with "upgrade to 1.1".  We desire to not do this again.

We also support a dozen operating systems, not just Linux.  One of our
policies is that we only do things that work on every OS.  That includes
software releases.  This binary is only available for Linux.  It is not
fair to the other XFree86 users.

The fact is that we DO consider it a big deal.  People violating our
express wishes does not make us really happy to continue to develop code
for that community.  We do this of our own free will, with our own time
and sweat, and often our own money (I've personally spent over $2500 in
hardware and documentation to be able to keep this going).  And we DON'T
get paid.  Hence I don't think it's asking too much to ask you to abide
by our wishes, whatever they may be.


> 
> -- 
> || maureen  || For this world that men have made, none of us is bad enough.
> ||          || For the world that made us, none is good enough.    -Edward Abbey
> || lecuona  || Those who dream of the joys of living in a space colony should 
> ||          || live in a space colony.                             -Edward Abbey  


--
David Wexelblat <dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com>  (908) 957-5871  Fax: (908) 957-5305
AT&T Bell Laboratories, 200 Laurel Ave - 3F-428, Middletown, NJ  07748

XFree86 requests should be addressed to <xfree86@physics.su.oz.au>

"Shining, flying, purple wolfhound, show me where you are."
        Yes, "Yours Is No Disgrace"

From: mark@datasoft.north.net (Mark Buckaway)
Subject: Re: ATI GUP Xserver & libc version
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1993 12:09:53 GMT

David E. Wexelblat (dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com) wrote:

: And again, I post...

: This is NOT public code.  If you use it, you will not receive any support
: from the XFree86 community.  Please respect our wishes, and do not use code
: that has not been publically released.

Unless you remove it from all FTP sites it's posted on...methinks you
shall be fighting a losing battle. The card is very popular and to use
a mach32 Xserver over a X8514 server, is quite beneficial.

Mark
--
Mark Buckaway            mark@datasoft.north.net
DataSoft Communications  uunorth!datasoft!mark
System Administrator

From: dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com (David E. Wexelblat)
Subject: Re: ATI GUP Xserver & libc version
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1993 22:57:26 GMT

In article <1993Aug4.120953.6251@datasoft.north.net> 
mark@datasoft.north.net (Mark Buckaway) writes:
> David E. Wexelblat (dwex@mtgzfs3.att.com) wrote:
> 
> : And again, I post...
> 
> : This is NOT public code.  If you use it, you will not receive any support
> : from the XFree86 community.  Please respect our wishes, and do not use code
> : that has not been publically released.
> 
> Unless you remove it from all FTP sites it's posted on...methinks you
> shall be fighting a losing battle. The card is very popular and to use
> a mach32 Xserver over a X8514 server, is quite beneficial.
> 
> Mark
> --
> Mark Buckaway            mark@datasoft.north.net
> DataSoft Communications  uunorth!datasoft!mark
> System Administrator

Yes, heaven forbid the Linux user community respect the wishes of the
people who put in thousands of hours of effort on their behalf.

And people wonder why I denigrate Linux (as an environment)?

--
David Wexelblat   (908) 957-5871  Fax: (908) 957-5305
AT&T Bell Laboratories, 200 Laurel Ave - 3F-428, Middletown, NJ  07748

XFree86 requests should be addressed to 

"Shining, flying, purple wolfhound, show me where you are."
        Yes, "Yours Is No Disgrace"

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