From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce
Subject: Linux user count passes 2000 users
Date: 7 Oct 1993 21:46:20 GMT
Approved: linux-announce@tc.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Message-ID: <2922nc$76o@samba.oit.unc.edu>
(To get included into the count, send an E-mail to linux-counter@uninett.no
with one of the subject lines:
I use Linux at home
I use Linux at work
I use Linux at home and at work
I don't use Linux
You will get an E-mail back saying how your vote was counted)
LINUX counter status, as of Thu Oct 7 10:31:59 MET 1993
Number of messages processed: 2162
Number of current votes : 2064 (98 revotes)
Number of Linux users : 2029 (35 non-users voted)
PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
1300 62% at home
505 24% at home and at work
156 7% at work
68 3% somewhere
35 1% not used
BY DOMAIN
496 edu 303 com 291 de 124 uk 88 ca
80 nl 73 au 70 fi 51 se 51 no
38 net 38 gov 37 at 35 dk 27 org
26 fr 20 ch 19 unknown 15 za 15 uucp
14 be 13 mil 11 it 8 jp 8 us
6 bitnet 6 tw 5 pt 5 ie 5 pl
5 nz 5 es 4 hk 4 il 4 is
3 hu 3 br 3 co 3 cl 3 gr
2 su 2 si 2 ee 1 mx 1 cz
1 cs 1 th 1 hr 1 ro 1 gb
1 in
BY COUNTRY
(I like sorting by #/population, because that puts Norway near the top :-)
Country #Linux MPop Lin/M
============================================================
Iceland 4 0.3 15.7
Finland 70 5.0 14.0
Norway 51 4.3 11.9
Denmark 35 5.1 6.9
Sweden 51 8.6 5.9
Netherlands 80 14.9 5.4
Austria 37 7.6 4.9
Australia 73 17.1 4.3
Germany 291 79.1 3.7
USA 885 249.6 3.5 edu,com,gov,mil,org,us
Canada 88 26.6 3.3
Switzerland 20 6.7 3.0
United Kingdom 125 57.2 2.2 uk,gb
New Zealand 5 3.4 1.5
Ireland 5 3.5 1.4
Belgium 14 9.9 1.4
Estonia 2 1.6 1.2
Slovenia 2 2.0 1.0
Hong Kong 4 5.9 0.7
Israel 4 6.3 0.6
South Africa 15 30.2 0.5
Portugal 5 10.3 0.5
France 26 56.2 0.5
Greece 3 10.1 0.3
Taiwan 6 20.3 0.3
Hungaria 3 10.5 0.3
Chile 3 13.5 0.2
Croatia 1 4.8 0.2
Italy 11 57.7 0.2
Poland 5 38.4 0.1
Spain 5 39.5 0.1
Czech Rebublic 1 10.0 0.1
Colombia 3 34.3 0.1
Japan 8 123.3 0.1
Czechoslovakia (former) 1 15.7 0.1
Romania 1 23.2 0.0
Brazil 3 158.2 0.0
Thailand 1 57.6 0.0
The World (somewhere) 78 5000.0 0.0 net,int,bitnet,uucp,unknown
Soviet Union (former) 2 147.4 0.0
Mexico 1 81.4 0.0
India 1 844.0 0.0
Comments:
* YES, I know that this count is a severe undercount, because
a) not all Linux users can send E-mail
b) of those that can send E-mail, a lot don't read c.o.l.announce
Nevertheless, this count has already passed the previous largest real count
of Linux-interested people (the c.o.l split vote, which had 1842 votes).
* YES, the allocation of "com" to the US and "bitnet" to "the world" is
more or less arbitary. I will think about getting a better split across
countries in a week or two, but at least, we get an idea.
* I don't think letting people register others into the count is a good
idea. How shall we know whether two people are registering the same friend?
* I count users, not machines. BBS users, who neither know nor care that
their BBS is running on a Linux system, should probably not be counted,
while "dialin UNIX" users with E-mail access probably should be. I will
think about counting machines some time later (probably not before November).
* So far, at least 38 of the replies from the counter have bounced. This
means that 1.7 % of the mail has problems. I consider this good!
One more word:
PLEASE crosspost the vote request to local newsgroups, BBSes and the like!
I believe many German Linux users (for instance) would read mostly their
"own" newsgroups, and would get the information by such paths.
>From X.400 networks, the addresses
S=linux-counter;O=uninett;PRMD=uninett;ADMD= ;C=no
S=linux-counter;O=uninett;PRMD=uninett;ADMD=uninett;C=no
might work.
Have fun!
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From: har...@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
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In article <290oje$e...@trane.uninett.no>
h...@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) writes:
>
>PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
>1300 62% at home
> 505 24% at home and at work
> 156 7% at work
> 68 3% somewhere
> 35 1% not used
>
Clearly the user base is private enthusiasts and hackers. Suprise
suprise. Well, does anyone have any idea how we can sell linux
to M.I.S. departments after it reaches 1.0?
Maybe we should ask Steve Jobs. Hup! ;)
-adam
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From: mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Organization: Lake Taylor Hospital Computer Services
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1993 14:28:01 GMT
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har...@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris) writes:
>In article <290oje$e...@trane.uninett.no>
h...@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) writes:
>>
>>PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
>>1300 62% at home
>> 505 24% at home and at work
>> 156 7% at work
>> 68 3% somewhere
>> 35 1% not used
>>
>Clearly the user base is private enthusiasts and hackers. Suprise
>suprise. Well, does anyone have any idea how we can sell linux
>to M.I.S. departments after it reaches 1.0?
Yes, commercial software availablity.
------> COFF/SCO/ISC compatibility, ELF/Unixware compatibility,
MS-"Windows" (WINE) capabilities.
I would have several uses for Linux IF it could run existing commercial
Unix software such as WordPerfect, Lotus, Aster*x, ClockWise, Codelink,
Mlink, Grammatik, AOM, Foxbase, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....
For now, it stays at home :(
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From: tab...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Highlander)
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Date: 8 Oct 1993 16:34:57 GMT
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In article <1993Oct08.142801.28625@taylor.uucp>
mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>[Counter stats deleted]>>>
>------> COFF/SCO/ISC compatibility, ELF/Unixware compatibility,
> MS-"Windows" (WINE) capabilities.
>
>I would have several uses for Linux IF it could run existing commercial
>Unix software such as WordPerfect, Lotus, Aster*x, ClockWise, Codelink,
>Mlink, Grammatik, AOM, Foxbase, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....
COFF combatibility seems to be the only thing on Mr. Davis's mind these
days. :) Is anyone actually working on this, or did the short epiphany after
the ELF compat. thing came out this summer do everyone in?
(Personally, I think DOSemu and WINE would be more useful than COFF
binaries. Then again, most of the software I run on Linux is source
available anyway... except for the heavy numerical stuff, which I
end up writing myself. :)
Later,
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From: mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Organization: Lake Taylor Hospital Computer Services
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1993 19:47:35 GMT
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tab...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Highlander) writes:
>In article <1993Oct08.142801.28625@taylor.uucp>
mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>>[Counter stats deleted]>>>
>>------> COFF/SCO/ISC compatibility, ELF/Unixware compatibility,
>> MS-"Windows" (WINE) capabilities.
>>
>>I would have several uses for Linux IF it could run existing commercial
>>Unix software such as WordPerfect, Lotus, Aster*x, ClockWise, Codelink,
>>Mlink, Grammatik, AOM, Foxbase, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....
>COFF combatibility seems to be the only thing on Mr. Davis's mind these
>days. :) Is anyone actually working on this, or did the short epiphany after
>the ELF compat. thing came out this summer do everyone in?
o o
<
\___/ Yep, I do tend to sound like a broken record on that subject, sorry.
It just would provide instant access to TONS of Unix software without
all this hastle about trying to "convince" vendors to port their
software to Linux (won't happen for most).
>(Personally, I think DOSemu and WINE would be more useful than COFF
>binaries.
I think those are also extremely important.
> Then again, most of the software I run on Linux is source
>available anyway... except for the heavy numerical stuff, which I
>end up writing myself. :)
Well, he wanted to know about businesses, and business want and need commercial
applications!
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From: har...@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
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>>>------> COFF/SCO/ISC compatibility, ELF/Unixware compatibility,
>>> MS-"Windows" (WINE) capabilities.
>>>
>>>I would have several uses for Linux IF it could run existing commercial
>>>Unix software such as WordPerfect, Lotus, Aster*x, ClockWise, Codelink,
>>>Mlink, Grammatik, AOM, Foxbase, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....
>
Interesting. Actually, I'm not so clueful, I've never heard of COFF.
Am I wrong is guessing that getting Unix-Native compatability
(or just ability) is a much more robust solution than DOS &
Windows emulators? I mean, I'm not trying to attack these projects,
they're key, for sure. But on the other hand, it seems to me
that emulators (or pseudo-emulators for DOSEMU) are *always*
*always* gonna break more than normal, well-written apps.
Which is all to say, I don't think we should put all our eggs in
WINE. Even though I'm sure we're all eagerly expecting it.
> Well, he wanted to know about businesses, and business want and need
> commercial applications!
For sure. The lack of Linux apps certainly is the only thing
prevent Linux installations from becoming stellar, thereby provoking
a massive revolution, led by programmers and informations workers,
where copywrites and intellectual ownership are sublated!!
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Message-ID: <1993Oct11.153406.4263@swan.pyr>
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In article <1993Oct8.2...@midway.uchicago.edu>
har...@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris) writes:
>Interesting. Actually, I'm not so clueful, I've never heard of COFF.
>Am I wrong is guessing that getting Unix-Native compatability
>(or just ability) is a much more robust solution than DOS &
>Windows emulators? I mean, I'm not trying to attack these projects,
>they're key, for sure. But on the other hand, it seems to me
>that emulators (or pseudo-emulators for DOSEMU) are *always*
>*always* gonna break more than normal, well-written apps.
COFF is just a file format used by IBSC2 compliant binaries. Now the COFF
loader seems finished and the kernel has hooks for IBSC2 system calls but
I've not yet seen any sign of the IBSC2 emulation code. I guess its someones
quiet project from the rumours I pick up. Looking at it apart from shared
library options its not too evil a problem.
>For sure. The lack of Linux apps certainly is the only thing
>prevent Linux installations from becoming stellar, thereby provoking
>a massive revolution, led by programmers and informations workers,
>where copywrites and intellectual ownership are sublated!!
Not likely. However it will help to people to discover GNU software.
Alan
iii...@pyr.swan.ac.uk