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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce
Subject: Linux user count passes 2000 users
Date: 7 Oct 1993 21:46:20 GMT
Approved: linux-announce@tc.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Message-ID: <2922nc$76o@samba.oit.unc.edu>

(To get included into the count, send an E-mail to linux-counter@uninett.no
with one of the subject lines:

  I use Linux at home
  I use Linux at work
  I use Linux at home and at work
  I don't use Linux

You will get an E-mail back saying how your vote was counted)


LINUX counter status, as of Thu Oct  7 10:31:59 MET 1993

Number of messages processed: 2162
Number of current votes     : 2064 (98 revotes)
Number of Linux users       : 2029 (35 non-users voted)


PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
1300  62% at home
 505  24% at home and at work
 156   7% at work
  68   3% somewhere
  35   1% not used

BY DOMAIN
 496 edu      303 com      291 de       124 uk        88 ca      
  80 nl        73 au        70 fi        51 se        51 no      
  38 net       38 gov       37 at        35 dk        27 org     
  26 fr        20 ch        19 unknown   15 za        15 uucp    
  14 be        13 mil       11 it         8 jp         8 us      
   6 bitnet     6 tw         5 pt         5 ie         5 pl      
   5 nz         5 es         4 hk         4 il         4 is      
   3 hu         3 br         3 co         3 cl         3 gr      
   2 su         2 si         2 ee         1 mx         1 cz      
   1 cs         1 th         1 hr         1 ro         1 gb      
   1 in      

BY COUNTRY
(I like sorting by #/population, because that puts Norway near the top :-)
Country                         #Linux   MPop Lin/M
============================================================
Iceland                              4    0.3  15.7 
Finland                             70    5.0  14.0 
Norway                              51    4.3  11.9 
Denmark                             35    5.1   6.9 
Sweden                              51    8.6   5.9 
Netherlands                         80   14.9   5.4 
Austria                             37    7.6   4.9 
Australia                           73   17.1   4.3 
Germany                            291   79.1   3.7 
USA                                885  249.6   3.5 edu,com,gov,mil,org,us
Canada                              88   26.6   3.3 
Switzerland                         20    6.7   3.0 
United Kingdom                     125   57.2   2.2 uk,gb
New Zealand                          5    3.4   1.5 
Ireland                              5    3.5   1.4 
Belgium                             14    9.9   1.4 
Estonia                              2    1.6   1.2 
Slovenia                             2    2.0   1.0 
Hong Kong                            4    5.9   0.7 
Israel                               4    6.3   0.6 
South Africa                        15   30.2   0.5 
Portugal                             5   10.3   0.5 
France                              26   56.2   0.5 
Greece                               3   10.1   0.3 
Taiwan                               6   20.3   0.3 
Hungaria                             3   10.5   0.3 
Chile                                3   13.5   0.2 
Croatia                              1    4.8   0.2 
Italy                               11   57.7   0.2 
Poland                               5   38.4   0.1 
Spain                                5   39.5   0.1 
Czech Rebublic                       1   10.0   0.1 
Colombia                             3   34.3   0.1 
Japan                                8  123.3   0.1 
Czechoslovakia (former)              1   15.7   0.1 
Romania                              1   23.2   0.0 
Brazil                               3  158.2   0.0 
Thailand                             1   57.6   0.0 
The World (somewhere)               78 5000.0   0.0 net,int,bitnet,uucp,unknown
Soviet Union (former)                2  147.4   0.0 
Mexico                               1   81.4   0.0 
India                                1  844.0   0.0 

Comments:

* YES, I know that this count is a severe undercount, because

  a) not all Linux users can send E-mail
  b) of those that can send E-mail, a lot don't read c.o.l.announce

  Nevertheless, this count has already passed the previous largest real count
  of Linux-interested people (the c.o.l split vote, which had 1842 votes).

* YES, the allocation of "com" to the US and "bitnet" to "the world" is
  more or less arbitary. I will think about getting a better split across
  countries in a week or two, but at least, we get an idea.

* I don't think letting people register others into the count is a good
  idea. How shall we know whether two people are registering the same friend?

* I count users, not machines. BBS users, who neither know nor care that
  their BBS is running on a Linux system, should probably not be counted,
  while "dialin UNIX" users with E-mail access probably should be. I will
  think about counting machines some time later (probably not before November).

* So far, at least 38 of the replies from the counter have bounced. This
  means that 1.7 % of the mail has problems. I consider this good!

One more word:

PLEASE crosspost the vote request to local newsgroups, BBSes and the like!
I believe many German Linux users (for instance) would read mostly their
"own" newsgroups, and would get the information by such paths.

>From X.400 networks, the addresses

S=linux-counter;O=uninett;PRMD=uninett;ADMD= ;C=no
S=linux-counter;O=uninett;PRMD=uninett;ADMD=uninett;C=no

might work.
Have fun!

-- 
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                      +47 7 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.

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From: har...@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Message-ID: <1993Oct8.115107.29381@midway.uchicago.edu>
Sender: ne...@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Chicago
References: <290oje$e5@trane.uninett.no>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 11:51:07 GMT
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In article <290oje$e...@trane.uninett.no> 
h...@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) writes:
>
>PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
>1300  62% at home
> 505  24% at home and at work
> 156   7% at work
>  68   3% somewhere
>  35   1% not used
>
Clearly the user base is private enthusiasts and hackers.  Suprise
suprise.  Well, does anyone have any idea how we can sell linux
to M.I.S. departments after it reaches 1.0?

Maybe we should ask Steve Jobs.  Hup!  ;)

-adam
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Adam Harris                                 har...@cs.uchicago.edu
Univ. of Chicago, CS Dept. Tech. Typesetter         (312) 702 1004
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taylor.wyvern.com!mark
From: mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Organization: Lake Taylor Hospital Computer Services
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1993 14:28:01 GMT
Message-ID: <1993Oct08.142801.28625@taylor.uucp>
References: <290oje$e5@trane.uninett.no> 
<1993Oct8.115107.29381@midway.uchicago.edu>
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har...@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris) writes:

>In article <290oje$e...@trane.uninett.no> 
h...@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) writes:
>>
>>PROBABLE DISTRIBUTION OF PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
>>1300  62% at home
>> 505  24% at home and at work
>> 156   7% at work
>>  68   3% somewhere
>>  35   1% not used
>>
>Clearly the user base is private enthusiasts and hackers.  Suprise
>suprise.  Well, does anyone have any idea how we can sell linux
>to M.I.S. departments after it reaches 1.0?

Yes, commercial software availablity.

------> COFF/SCO/ISC compatibility,  ELF/Unixware compatibility,
        MS-"Windows" (WINE) capabilities.

I would have several uses for Linux IF it could run existing commercial
Unix software such as WordPerfect, Lotus, Aster*x, ClockWise, Codelink,
Mlink, Grammatik, AOM, Foxbase, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

For now, it stays at home :( 
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From: tab...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Highlander)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Date: 8 Oct 1993 16:34:57 GMT
Organization: The Ohio State University
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References: <290oje$e5@trane.uninett.no> 
<1993Oct8.115107.29381@midway.uchicago.edu> 
<1993Oct08.142801.28625@taylor.uucp>
NNTP-Posting-Host: magnusug.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu

In article <1993Oct08.142801.28625@taylor.uucp> 
mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>[Counter stats deleted]>>>
>------> COFF/SCO/ISC compatibility,  ELF/Unixware compatibility,
>        MS-"Windows" (WINE) capabilities.
>
>I would have several uses for Linux IF it could run existing commercial
>Unix software such as WordPerfect, Lotus, Aster*x, ClockWise, Codelink,
>Mlink, Grammatik, AOM, Foxbase, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

COFF combatibility seems to be the only thing on Mr. Davis's mind these
days. :) Is anyone actually working on this, or did the short epiphany after
the ELF compat. thing came out this summer do everyone in?

(Personally, I think DOSemu and WINE would be more useful than COFF
binaries.  Then again, most of the software I run on Linux is source
available anyway...  except for the heavy numerical stuff, which I
end up writing myself. :)

Later,

	--Troy, amused that his 4Dwmish config file is in the fvwm0.98 dist.
+--------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
|   Troy A. Baer     | "Dear Mother, Dear Father,                          |
| Senior, Aero. Engr.|  Clipped my wings before I learned to fly,          |
| tabaer@magnus.acs. |  Unspoiled, unspoken,                               |
|  ohio-state.edu    |  I've outgrown that f**king lullabye." -- Metallica |
+--------------------+-----------------------------------------------------+

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From: mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Organization: Lake Taylor Hospital Computer Services
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1993 19:47:35 GMT
Message-ID: <1993Oct08.194735.12767@taylor.uucp>
References: <290oje$e5@trane.uninett.no> 
<1993Oct8.115107.29381@midway.uchicago.edu> 
<1993Oct08.142801.28625@taylor.uucp> 
<2944rh$818@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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tab...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Highlander) writes:

>In article <1993Oct08.142801.28625@taylor.uucp> 
mark@taylor.uucp (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>>[Counter stats deleted]>>>
>>------> COFF/SCO/ISC compatibility,  ELF/Unixware compatibility,
>>        MS-"Windows" (WINE) capabilities.
>>
>>I would have several uses for Linux IF it could run existing commercial
>>Unix software such as WordPerfect, Lotus, Aster*x, ClockWise, Codelink,
>>Mlink, Grammatik, AOM, Foxbase, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....

>COFF combatibility seems to be the only thing on Mr. Davis's mind these
>days. :) Is anyone actually working on this, or did the short epiphany after
>the ELF compat. thing came out this summer do everyone in?

o   o
  <
\___/  Yep, I do tend to sound like a broken record on that subject, sorry.
       It just would provide instant access to TONS of Unix software without
       all this hastle about trying to "convince" vendors to port their
       software to Linux (won't happen for most).

>(Personally, I think DOSemu and WINE would be more useful than COFF
>binaries.

I think those are also extremely important.

>  Then again, most of the software I run on Linux is source
>available anyway...  except for the heavy numerical stuff, which I
>end up writing myself. :)

Well, he wanted to know about businesses, and business want and need commercial
applications!

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From: har...@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Message-ID: <1993Oct8.210747.27162@midway.uchicago.edu>
Sender: ne...@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System)
Organization: Department of Computer Science, University of Chicago
References: <1993Oct08.142801.28625@taylor.uucp> 
<2944rh$818@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
<1993Oct08.194735.12767@taylor.uucp>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1993 21:07:47 GMT
Lines: 31

>>>------> COFF/SCO/ISC compatibility,  ELF/Unixware compatibility,
>>>        MS-"Windows" (WINE) capabilities.
>>>
>>>I would have several uses for Linux IF it could run existing commercial
>>>Unix software such as WordPerfect, Lotus, Aster*x, ClockWise, Codelink,
>>>Mlink, Grammatik, AOM, Foxbase, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc....
>

Interesting.  Actually, I'm not so clueful, I've never heard of COFF.
Am I wrong is guessing that getting Unix-Native compatability
(or just ability) is a much more robust solution than DOS &
Windows emulators?  I mean, I'm not trying to attack these projects,
they're key, for sure.  But on the other hand, it seems to me
that emulators (or pseudo-emulators for DOSEMU) are *always* 
*always* gonna break more than normal, well-written apps.

Which is all to say, I don't think we should put all our eggs in 
WINE.  Even though I'm sure we're all eagerly expecting it.

> Well, he wanted to know about businesses, and business want and need 
> commercial applications!

For sure.  The lack of Linux apps certainly is the only thing
prevent Linux installations from becoming stellar, thereby provoking
a massive revolution, led by programmers and informations workers,
where copywrites and intellectual ownership are sublated!!
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Univ. of Chicago, CS Dept. Tech. Typesetter         (312) 702 1004
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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux counter passes 2000 entries
Message-ID: <1993Oct11.153406.4263@swan.pyr>
Organization: Swansea University College
References: <2944rh$818@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> 
<1993Oct08.194735.12767@taylor.uucp> 
<1993Oct8.210747.27162@midway.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1993 15:34:06 GMT
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In article <1993Oct8.2...@midway.uchicago.edu> 
har...@cs.uchicago.edu (Adam Harris) writes:
>Interesting.  Actually, I'm not so clueful, I've never heard of COFF.
>Am I wrong is guessing that getting Unix-Native compatability
>(or just ability) is a much more robust solution than DOS &
>Windows emulators?  I mean, I'm not trying to attack these projects,
>they're key, for sure.  But on the other hand, it seems to me
>that emulators (or pseudo-emulators for DOSEMU) are *always* 
>*always* gonna break more than normal, well-written apps.
COFF is just a file format used by IBSC2 compliant binaries. Now the COFF
loader seems finished and the kernel has hooks for IBSC2 system calls but
I've not yet seen any sign of the IBSC2 emulation code. I guess its someones
quiet project from the rumours I pick up. Looking at it apart from shared
library options its not too evil a problem.
>For sure.  The lack of Linux apps certainly is the only thing
>prevent Linux installations from becoming stellar, thereby provoking
>a massive revolution, led by programmers and informations workers,
>where copywrites and intellectual ownership are sublated!!
Not likely. However it will help to people to discover GNU software.

Alan

iii...@pyr.swan.ac.uk

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