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From: p...@kis.uni-freiburg.de (Peter Suetterlin)
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Subject: Re: Wait'll you see the May 16th PCWEEK...
Date: 17 May 1994 10:14:41 GMT
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Jason Rimmer (jrim...@netcom.com) wrote:
: If you thought the May 9th PCWEEK's report on Linux was bad, you'll probably 
: want to hide the May 16th issue.  Here's the goods (typos are mine):

 [ munch ]

: I'm no expert on the GNU license, and I know it's been beaten about here in 
: reference to earlier PCWEEK articles, but what the HECK is going on?

: jrim...@netcom.com
: Eclectic Technologies

: Subvert the dominant paradigm, use Corsair (err, I mean Linux).

Ok, I have (had?) a big hope that the work Novell puts into Linux will
spread it to more and more people and help all of us. But if they are
*really* trying to do what many people seem to fear, namely violating
the GPL, we will have to show that we are a community and collect the
$$'s to pay the lawyers to defend our rights.

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From: pet...@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers)
Subject: Re: Wait'll you see the May 16th PCWEEK...
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p...@kis.uni-freiburg.de (Peter Suetterlin) writes:

>Ok, I have (had?) a big hope that the work Novell puts into Linux will
>spread it to more and more people and help all of us. But if they are
>*really* trying to do what many people seem to fear, namely violating
>the GPL, we will have to show that we are a community and collect the
>$$'s to pay the lawyers to defend our rights.

I just wanted to point out that the GPL has come head-to-head with
corporate lawyers at least once before (NeXT's Objective-C compiler)
and the GPL won. (I don't know whether it was a sudden fit of ethics,
or they were afraid that a competitor might pay the FSF's legal bill,
or what...)

Also, as someone has pointed out, Novell has little interest in
breaking the "shrink-wrap" part of the GPL - they depend on this sort
of license for their own proprietary software.

				Peter Desnoyers
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From: m...@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Wait'll you see the May 16th PCWEEK...
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In article <jrimmer.52.0013E...@netcom.com> jrim...@netcom.com (Jason Rimmer) writes:
>	If you thought the May 9th PCWEEK's report on Linux was bad, you'll probably 
>want to hide the May 16th issue.  Here's the goods (typos are mine):

Can someone provide a contact point (e-mail or phone number) for
a Novell representative that might be able to answer some questions
about this product? If so, please e-mail me directly. (I'd like to 
prevent thousands of phone calls to Novell from concerned Linux users.)

I think that it's important for the Linux community to get the scoop 
on Novell's intentions for the system.  Perhaps not all of this has 
solidified, but from this description it sounds quite _unlike_ Linux---
i.e., not a Linux system as we know it. Coupled with PowerPC support I 
suspect that Novell has incorporated only the core of the Linux
kernel, and therefore this product shouldn't be seen as ``in competition''
with Linux. 

Thanks.
mdw

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From: iii...@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Wait'll you see the May 16th PCWEEK...
Message-ID: <1994May19.114524.10560@uk.ac.swan.pyr>
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In article <peterd.769265...@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com> pet...@pjd.dev.cdx.mot.com 
(Peter Desnoyers) writes:
>I just wanted to point out that the GPL has come head-to-head with
>corporate lawyers at least once before (NeXT's Objective-C compiler)
>and the GPL won. (I don't know whether it was a sudden fit of ethics,
>or they were afraid that a competitor might pay the FSF's legal bill,
>or what...)

Not only that but it appears that the objective C compiler has gained a lot
from the ongoing gcc related work done by the FSF and friends too. I guess
both sides won 8)

>Also, as someone has pointed out, Novell has little interest in
>breaking the "shrink-wrap" part of the GPL - they depend on this sort
>of license for their own proprietary software.

You can't break the "shrink-wrap" license. You could contend that opening
the software did not force you to accept the license. However when it comes
to using it either:

a) 	You accept the license
b) 	If you don't accept the license then you have no right to use the
	program anyway
	
Alan

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