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From: r...@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Bruce Prior)
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Subject: Wordperfect for X-Windows
Date: 15 Jun 1994 20:18:37 GMT
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Question to all of you who have tried downloading the Demo WP from 
ftp.wordperfect.com and running it on your faithful Linux box...

When I start the demo from the stock demo shell script, I get the error
(in it's own box, titled "Error (1)"), "Could not create a new process --"
with an "OK" box at the bottom.  Clicking on OK returns me to WP with no 
problems, and the program runs *great* after that, but I am still left 
wondering what it is trying to do that it can't... And if it could be a 
problem with my system?

I am running Linux 1.1.18 and the ibcs emulator dated 940526 (might not be 
26, it was the last one there from may, tho).  I did a 'make config' in 
/usr/src/linux to see if ELF/COFF support was turned on, but there wasn't 
an ELF/COFF option for me to select... Does this mean that it is now 
built in by default?

So, anyone know how much WordPerfect for X-Windows costs retail?  :)  How 
many thousands, that is?  :)

TTuL,
Rob

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From: m...@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
Organization: Lake Taylor Hospital Computer Services
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 02:29:37 GMT
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r...@unixg.ubc.ca (Robert Bruce Prior) writes:

>Question to all of you who have tried downloading the Demo WP from 
>ftp.wordperfect.com and running it on your faithful Linux box...

>When I start the demo from the stock demo shell script, I get the error
>(in it's own box, titled "Error (1)"), "Could not create a new process --"
>with an "OK" box at the bottom.  Clicking on OK returns me to WP with no 
>problems, and the program runs *great* after that, but I am still left 
>wondering what it is trying to do that it can't... And if it could be a 
>problem with my system?

Not strange.  I had that error before, and I found out what it was, I
think.  The problem is I just can't remember!  Damn!

>So, anyone know how much WordPerfect for X-Windows costs retail?  :)  How 
>many thousands, that is?  :)

I suppose you are in for a surprise.  How about under $295....
And if you already have an MS-"DOS" Wordperfect license, you can upgrade
to the Unix version for about half that or less.....  call 'em.
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Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
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: >So, anyone know how much WordPerfect for X-Windows costs retail?  :)  How 
: >many thousands, that is?  :)

: I suppose you are in for a surprise.  How about under $295....
: And if you already have an MS-"DOS" Wordperfect license, you can upgrade
: to the Unix version for about half that or less.....  call 'em.


Sorry, as a novice I would like to know how i can get it to work. Is it a
binary distibution, or is there source code inclunded? (I suppose from your 
answers thaw WP _will_ run under Linux/X11).

Any help appreciated,

Sven

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From: cyri...@netcom.com (Cyrill Vatomsky)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
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Robert Bruce Prior (r...@unixg.ubc.ca) wrote:

: Question to all of you who have tried downloading the Demo WP from 
: ftp.wordperfect.com and running it on your faithful Linux box...

: When I start the demo from the stock demo shell script, I get the error
: (in it's own box, titled "Error (1)"), "Could not create a new process --"
: with an "OK" box at the bottom.  Clicking on OK returns me to WP with no 
: problems, and the program runs *great* after that, but I am still left 
: wondering what it is trying to do that it can't... And if it could be a 
: problem with my system?

I do not have this proble, WP starts without a glitch but the screen is
filled with garbage. How did you go about  those corrupt fonts?

: I am running Linux 1.1.18 and the ibcs emulator dated 940526 (might not be 
: 26, it was the last one there from may, tho).  I did a 'make config' in 
I am running Linux 1.1.19 with iBCS dated 940614 (or close)
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From: m...@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
Organization: Lake Taylor Hospital Computer Services
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 1994 15:58:13 GMT
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nied...@petrus.cribx1.u-bordeaux.fr (Niedner) writes:


>: >So, anyone know how much WordPerfect for X-Windows costs retail?  :)  How 
>: >many thousands, that is?  :)

>: I suppose you are in for a surprise.  How about under $295....
>: And if you already have an MS-"DOS" Wordperfect license, you can upgrade
>: to the Unix version for about half that or less.....  call 'em.

>Sorry, as a novice I would like to know how i can get it to work.

You must install and use the COFF/IBCS code for Linux.  Then follow the
included "hack" instructions for loading up WP for Unix.

> Is it a
>binary distibution, or is there source code inclunded?

Most all commercial software is in binary form.  Otherwise, people would
just steal the code.

>(I suppose from your 
>answers thaw WP _will_ run under Linux/X11).

Apparently, yes.  With some hacks....
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From: shend...@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix)
Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
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Mark A. Davis (m...@taylor.infi.net) wrote:

: Most all commercial software is in binary form.  Otherwise, people would
: just steal the code.

So?  They just steal the binaries now if they want to.  There is no reason
for them to not distribute code.  They can make all the excuses they want,
most of them are nowhere near being valid.

I also wish I could get software without paying for user support.  I
don't need it, why should I pay for it?  There should be several
changes in commercial software:

* source code provided
* support should be unbundled if you don't need it or only need
  minimal support
* customized versions should be available that eliminate the vast
  majority of stupid features and bloated auto-PR
* old software that is no longer sold should be given to the public 
  domain.  Locking old code away or destroying it is STUPID


: >(I suppose from your 
: >answers thaw WP _will_ run under Linux/X11).

: Apparently, yes.  With some hacks....
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* In message <cyrillvCrHw0H....@netcom.com>, Cyrill Vatomsky said:

CV> I do not have this proble, WP starts without a glitch but
CV> the screen is
CV> filled with garbage. How did you go about  those corrupt
CV> fonts?

You need .pcf fonts rather than the .snf fonts WP ship. You need to convert 
snf -> bdf -> pcf. The full version of WP ships with bdf files as well as 
snf. The requirement for pcf rather than snf fonts is down to your X server. 
The problem is documented in later versions of the HINTS file that comes 
with iBCS.

                                Mike  

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Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
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In article <1994Jun18.040135.28...@escape.widomaker.com> 
shend...@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) writes:
>I also wish I could get software without paying for user support.  I
>don't need it, why should I pay for it?  There should be several
>changes in commercial software:
>
>* source code provided
Not yet very common unfortunately.
>* support should be unbundled if you don't need it or only need
>  minimal support
Everyone is going this way. The price war can only be maintained by charging
elsewhere after you have the user caught. 
>* old software that is no longer sold should be given to the public 
>  domain.  Locking old code away or destroying it is STUPID

Its not stupid. For most jobs the old stuff is far smaller faster and better.

Alan

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From: m...@taylor.infi.net (Mark A. Davis)
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iii...@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:

>In article <1994Jun18.040135.28...@escape.widomaker.com> 
shend...@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) writes:

>>* old software that is no longer sold should be given to the public 
>>  domain.  Locking old code away or destroying it is STUPID

>Its not stupid. For most jobs the old stuff is far smaller faster and better.
     ^^^^
Are you agreeing with him or disagreeing with him?
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Subject: Re: Wordperfect for X-Windows
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In article <1994Jun20.222104.19...@taylor.infi.net> m...@taylor.infi.net 
(Mark A. Davis) writes:
>iii...@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>
>>In article <1994Jun18.040135.28...@escape.widomaker.com> 
shend...@escape.widomaker.com (Shannon Hendrix) writes:
>
>>>* old software that is no longer sold should be given to the public 
>>>  domain.  Locking old code away or destroying it is STUPID
>
>>Its not stupid. For most jobs the old stuff is far smaller faster and better.
>     ^^^^
>Are you agreeing with him or disagreeing with him?

Agreeing - but no company would do that because they'd never sell the new
stuff without stopping the old or actually having to _improve_ rather than
grow their software.

Alan

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Everyone is talking about Wordperfect for X-Windows, but when I went to the 
site all Icould not find anything for Linux (the closest was for SCO)

Could anybody point me in the right direction please (ie ftp site and the 
directory it is in) 

I would be extrmemly grateful,
Jonathan Hutchinson
hu...@cs.concordia.ca

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Hj> Everyone is talking about Wordperfect for X-Windows, but
Hj> when I went to the
Hj> site all Icould not find anything for Linux (the closest was
Hj> for SCO)

That's right. Get the SCO demo. Then go to tsx-11.mit.edu and get the latest 
iBCS emulator from /pub/linux/ALPHA/ibcs2 so you can run it...

                                Mike

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