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From: g...@n8pph52.nt.com (Greg W. Zoller)
Subject:  Help... Boss wants SCO
Message-ID: <1994Aug12.175423.4582@brtph560.bnr.ca>
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I'm having a problem with Linux doing a filesystem check every
time it boots.  I always use shutdown/halt/etc. to be sure to
properly stop the system, but Linux still does the check.  I've
even tried using the 'fast' mode which is supposed to override
the check.

I've got Linux V1.0 running on a Gateway P5-60 (PCI) and a 386DX
(both have the same problem).  The first time I boot after a fresh
installation, no problem.  Every time after that I get the stupid
file check.

I'm trying to propose Linux as an SCO alternative for our LAN
but my boss is against the idea.  He sees the filesystem check
as an example of why Linux is not stable enough to be a 'serious'
contender.  If I could show him the problem is my ignorance, not
Linux, it would help. :-)

BTW:  I did check the FAQ, but if I've missed articles about this
      problem, you may certainly forward the bozo award to me.

Thanx.  Greg

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From: g...@n8pph52.nt.com (Greg W. Zoller)
Subject: Help... Boss wants SCO
Message-ID: <1994Aug12.184443.6157@brtph560.bnr.ca>
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I'm having considerable difficulty with Linux always doing a
filesystem check every time it boots (it says it's dirty).  I
always use one of the Linux utilities to shut down the system
in a controlled manner, so I don't understand why it insists
on checking the whole filesystem each time.  I've even tried
the 'fast' mode which is supposed to override the check, to
no avail.

I've got Linux V1.0 on a Gateway P5-60(PCI) and a 386DX.  Both
have the same problem.

I'm proposing Linux as an alternative to additional SCO nodes
on our LAN.  My boss is against the idea and says problems like
these show that Linux isn't "stable".  It would really help
if I could show him this problem is because of my ignorance, not
a fault of Linux.

Thanx.  Greg

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From: t...@metronet.com (Tom Griffing)
Subject: Re: Help... Boss wants SCO
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In article <1994Aug12.175423.4...@brtph560.bnr.ca>,
Greg W. Zoller <g...@n8pph52.nt.com> wrote:
>I'm having a problem with Linux doing a filesystem check every
>time it boots.  I always use shutdown/halt/etc. to be sure to
>properly stop the system, but Linux still does the check.  I've
>even tried using the 'fast' mode which is supposed to override
>the check.

This is a configuration problem and from what I've seen,
looks like you've got enough responses to solve it, but 
here's my two bits:

I had this problem a while back and it turned out to be
the particular version of the kernel.  It didn't unmount
the filesystem automatically upon shutting down.  My
solution was to upgrade to the latest kernel.

>I've got Linux V1.0 running on a Gateway P5-60 (PCI) and a 386DX
>(both have the same problem).  The first time I boot after a fresh
>installation, no problem.  Every time after that I get the stupid
>file check.
>
>I'm trying to propose Linux as an SCO alternative for our LAN
>but my boss is against the idea.  He sees the filesystem check
>as an example of why Linux is not stable enough to be a 'serious'
>contender.  If I could show him the problem is my ignorance, not
>Linux, it would help. :-)

I'm a consultant for a company who uses SCO and NCR Unix.
I have pretty much given up on the idea of getting them
to use Linux.  Seems that many such companies are too
concerned about liability and support issues to use 
something that's free.

The concern is that if the software breaks and causes a
loss of revenues, they want to cast the blame on the vendors.
This won't work with Linux ... noone to blame but yourself.

This is, of course, a holdover from old-style thinking,
and is slowly changing.  Some companies can handle the
change and some can't.  Even if it would mean better
functionality at thousands saved per workstation.

Some issues:

    Pros
        Unlimited users
        TCP/IP at no extra cost
        NFS at no extra cost
        SLIP at no extra cost
        PPP at no extra cost
        X11R5 at no extra cost
        Compiler/libraries at no extra cost
        Telephone support (if you buy one of the better CD-ROM distributions)
        Internet support

    Cons
        GPL restrictions can if your code is linked with the GNU libraries
        Device support is minimal for some hardware (Intelligent I/O)


Even so, Linux makes a *great* user workstation.

Things will change, though.  Linux will get more accepted 
as time goes by and management types realize that it really
does work.

Good luck,


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From: g...@n8pph52.nt.com (Greg W. Zoller)
Subject: Re: Help... Boss wants SCO
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Thanks to everyone for the help!  :-)  I think I'll be 
able to untangle this thing with the input you've given me.

Mr. Griffing made some very interesting points about Linux
in the corporate environment.  It is definitely an uphill
struggle to get something "free" to be accepted, no matter
how good it may be.

I can't help but wonder if the corporate world would look
more favorably upon Linux if it were administered by a
not-for-profit corporation, such as GNU/Free Software
Foundation.  This would accomplish three major shortfalls
of Linux.

	1)  Regular releases/support from an organization
	    rather than *only* by many individuals.

	2)  Creation and updating of significant
	    system documentation.

	3)  Recruitment of strategic commercial software
	    ports.  (A big-name DBMS, Informix, etc. sure
	    wouldn't hurt!)

Such an organization would not interrupt the wonderful
"free-for-all" the public now enjoys with Linux.  It would
provide a clearing-house and credibility that corporations
seem to like.  The idea would be that commercial users 
would pay a reasonable (small) fee to use Linux in exchange
for having a Linux organization providing credibility
and support.  The hobby/home user would still be able to
receive Linux free on the net, but (as now) be mostly on
their own.

Documentation would benefit everyone, particularly a
comprehensive Networking Guide for Linux.  The Linux
Documentation Project (LDP) was a nice gesture, but I'm
skeptical anyone will really finish the work without
an organization spearheading the effort.  Revenues from
documentation sales should provide much of the support
for the organization.

Many of the distribution providers have started in this
direction, but do not go far enough.

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In <1994Aug15.163804.13...@brtph560.bnr.ca> g...@n8pph52.nt.com 
(Greg W. Zoller) writes:

>Documentation would benefit everyone, particularly a
>comprehensive Networking Guide for Linux.  The Linux
>Documentation Project (LDP) was a nice gesture, but I'm

*was* a nice gesture?  Perhaps you haven't seen the
Linux Network Administrator's Guide...but it's free, so....

As for corporate reluctance to accept Linux...that's something
that seems very hard to overcome -- corporations tend to
require certain things that even the non-profit you suggest
couldn't (or maybe shouldn't) provide - like somebody to 
call up and yell at when it doesn't work as it should.  And
the "..merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose..."
clause in large print in the license isn't exactly *reassuring*
if you're considering staking your (presumably profitable) business
on it...

townsend
    
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From: m...@ka4ybr.com (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
Subject: Re: Help... Boss wants SCO
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Tom Griffing (t...@metronet.com) wrote:

: Some issues:

:     Pros
:         Unlimited users
:         TCP/IP at no extra cost
:         NFS at no extra cost
:         SLIP at no extra cost
:         PPP at no extra cost
:         X11R5 at no extra cost
:         Compiler/libraries at no extra cost
:         Telephone support (if you buy one of the better CD-ROM distributions)
:         Internet support
:     Cons
:         GPL restrictions can if your code is linked with the GNU libraries
:         Device support is minimal for some hardware (Intelligent I/O)
: Even so, Linux makes a *great* user workstation.
: Things will change, though.  Linux will get more accepted 
: as time goes by and management types realize that it really
: does work.

	.... also :

	Show your boss the posting on Linux books in c.o.l.help from one
	of the people at O'Reilly indicating that their first book in the
	Linux series will be out in January (the Network Administration 
	Guide).   Ask him how long it took before O'Reilly published the
	"SCO UNIX in a Nutshell" book... Seems to me that the fact that
	SCO's been around a hell of a lot longer before being "recognised"
	than Linux has ought to give him a clue about it.  Also ask him how
	he'd like to have very quick access to the developers (impossible
	with SCO) virtually free software (20 bucks for the CDs vs. about
	at least 3 kilobucks for a SCO license) that is supported by literally
	THOUSANDS of "techie-nerds" around the world, and access to very
	informative newsgroups.  You might also point out to him that the
	last mega-security hole in telnet was discovered first by Linux
	"hackers" and a fix generated in mere hours after discovery available
	for download from the net as opposed to a certain other vendor's
	somewhat lengthy PTF process to fix the same problem.  But then 
	with source code included in the distribution, you always have the
	option with Linux of looking into and fixing the problem right away
	yourself rather than waiting for the vendor to get a sufficient 
	threshold of problem reports to turn it over to a committee to study
	the problem who then turns it over to a group to analyse the cost/benefit
	ratio involved in making the fix who then might turn it over to the
	change team to work on for inclusion in the fixes for the next
	release of the vendor software.  There HAVE been cases of businesses
	being forced to close because of computer failures that could not
	be rectified in a timely manner. 

	Just  few things for the zipperheads and beancounters to consider!  :)

	Regards,
	Mark

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Subject: Re: Help... Boss wants SCO
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In article <1994Aug17.125623.19...@brtph560.bnr.ca>,
Greg W. Zoller <g...@n8pph52.nt.com> wrote:
>
>Perhaps the largest 'hole' in the Linux-in-corporate-
>America plan is the lack of serious applications.  A
>true, name-brand, RDBMS with SQL capability is really
>necessary.  Then I think you'd start to see some
>adventurous firms take the Linux plunge.

I can help you with this one.  FlagShip is a major applications development
environment that has been commercially sold on Unix for 7-8 years.  It is the
Unix version of the CA/Clipper programming Language & Database. 

CA/Clipper if you are not familiar with it, started life as a DbaseIII
and progressed to become the best xBase language avialable.  It competes
favorably with FoxPro & Dbase.... and FlagShip is a true Unix implementation
not a simple portation....

We have many major app firms sneering at us for taking the plunge, but
watching like hawks to see if we succeed with our Low cost linux version.

If we acheive volume... they will follow....  so if you want to see linux
fly, help us.



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From: m...@ka4ybr.com (Mark A. Horton KA4YBR)
Subject: Re: Help... Boss wants SCO
Message-ID: <1994Aug19.080032.29653@ka4ybr.com>
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Mark Bolzern (m...@gcs.com) wrote:
: In article <1994Aug17.125623.19...@brtph560.bnr.ca>,
: Greg W. Zoller <g...@n8pph52.nt.com> wrote:
: >
: >Perhaps the largest 'hole' in the Linux-in-corporate-
: >America plan is the lack of serious applications.  A
: >true, name-brand, RDBMS with SQL capability is really
: >necessary.  Then I think you'd start to see some
: >adventurous firms take the Linux plunge.

: I can help you with this one.  FlagShip is a major applications development
: environment that has been commercially sold on Unix for 7-8 years.  It is the
: Unix version of the CA/Clipper programming Language & Database. 
: CA/Clipper if you are not familiar with it, started life as a DbaseIII
: and progressed to become the best xBase language avialable.  It competes
: favorably with FoxPro & Dbase.... and FlagShip is a true Unix implementation
: not a simple portation....
: We have many major app firms sneering at us for taking the plunge, but
: watching like hawks to see if we succeed with our Low cost linux version.
: If we acheive volume... they will follow....  so if you want to see linux
: fly, help us.
: -- 
: Mark Bolzern :  m...@gcs.com    USA Tel: (303) 699-7470  Fax: (303) 699-2793 
: WorkGroup Solutions, Inc.    The FlagShip "CA-Clipper and XBase on Unix" People
:   FlagShip is a 4GL Database Development System & XBase Porting Tool for Unix
: No Runtime Fees   Info at ftp.wgs.com : /pub2/wgs/Filelist OR mail: i...@wgs.com
 
OK Guys... put up or shut up time!  Everyone is bitching about "no commercial    
products" available for Linux... well here it is!  Spend money! Heaven forbid!
This is a FREE Operating System!  --- Fine, keep that attitude and Linux will
continually be viewed as a "toy" operating system, suitable only for hackers and
UNIX wannabees!  How many of those out there who extole the virtues of things
like SCO, SunOS, Solaris, even (gag!) AIX have actually spent their own $MONEY$
on these things?  I have, so don't flame me... I run two SPARCs (2 and 1), SCO,
AIX (when it chooses to) on an RS6K-320, and Motorola UNIX on a MVME 68000 machine.

	I run Linux because I CHOOSE to, not because of the bucks!

Linux consistently outperforms these others; it is my newsserver, my mailserver, 
and will soon be my direct fulltime connection to the Net.  (Alas, those of
us out here in the non-academic and non-giant-corporation must pay for these
things ourselves!  :(  )   I will give the SPARC-2 the edge when it comes
to numerically intensive operations... it's hard to beat its floating point
performance, so those statistics runs are processed over on it (But hey! That's
what networks are for, right?) 

I've been waiting a long time for something such as this "Flagship" since it 
(IMHO) is the "killer" application Linux has been needing to break into the
business applications world... there is a LOT of dBASE and Clipper based software
being used by small and large businesses... real packages running real businesses.
Point of Sale, accouting, inventory, gl, ap, ar, etc.   You need an occasional
wordprocesor - run WP5.1 or 5.2 in dosemu if you have to (I'm a Neanderthal...
nroff and troff are just fine by me... I don't need a "What you see ain't 
necessarily what you get" editor)  The point is that this is real commercial 
grade software that will allow the easy porting and development of BUSINESS
applications, is supported by a vendor, and is available for a plethora of
platforms.  Get the demo, try it for free, and then decide for yourself.  The
special deals available for the Linux version place it in a very nice price
niche - particularly if it is YOUR OWN money on the line!  The software is
priced at $199. for a two (end)-user system and $499 for an unlimited end-user
system... period... no runtime licenses and other crap.  Even gens intermediate
C code so you can make any "special" modifications you wish that perhaps you
can't or don't want to do in the Flagship/Clipper/xBase language itself.   

I am very pleased with the product so far... I will however, go back and buy
the optional 1200 page documentation set for $100.00... finally got it through
my thick head that I couldn't print it myself for that little :)  .

So there you have it!

	"Vendor Support."  "Commercial Software."  "Real World Aplications."

		        	Put up or shut up.

-- Mark  ( He-who-takes-pleasure-in-kicking-Novell-servers-out.)  Horton 

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>>>>> "GWZ" == Greg W Zoller <g...@n8pph52.nt.com> writes:

  GWZ> Perhaps the largest 'hole' in the Linux-in-corporate-
  GWZ> America plan is the lack of serious applications.  A
  GWZ> true, name-brand, RDBMS with SQL capability is really
  GWZ> necessary.  Then I think you'd start to see some
  GWZ> adventurous firms take the Linux plunge.

	Who cares if Linux has a "native" version of an RDBMS? It can run
the SCO version or the SVR4 versions just fine. This should be a SELLING
point, not a detrement. Sure it would be nice to have a native version of WP,
but as long as WP is willing to help people get a cross-platform version up
and going I don't see what difference it makes.

	When someone asks what wordprocessor I use under Linux I say WP51.
When they ask what spreadsheet I say Lotus 1-2-3, and for what RDBMS I use
I say Informix. That is usually enough to satisfy anyone that Linux is useable
in a business environment.

	As an aside, consider this. If you were to buy SCO's Unix product with
full networking support, X, and an unlimited user license you would be
talking *BIG* $$$$. Even X alone is awfull. For this reason not one of the
machines in our office runs X (not to mention that the SCO X implementation
seems to be a much bigger resource pig than Xfree). But with Linux all
of those things are included, and free, so now our people have the ability
to use the GUI versions of WP51 & Lotus 1-2-3 (which we already paid for when
we could only use the character versions). Even for SCO's "ODT" product,
add up the costs of purchasing 10 seperate licenses for workstations and
compare that to the cost of Linux...

						Dave

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* In message <32o9l0$...@panix3.panix.com>, C.P.Townsend said:

CC> And the "..merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose..."
CC> clause in large print in the license isn't exactly *reassuring*
CC> if you're considering staking your (presumably profitable)
CC> business on it...

No, it should be in small print like the commercial vendors do it. If people 
are staking their businesses on products they really *ought* to read the 
licenses first!

  Here are some relevant extracts from a "certain vendor's" license (these 
bits are actually in *bold* small print :-) ):

  "LIMITED WARRANTY. The X software and user manual is provided "as is" 
without warranty of any kind, either express or implied, including, but not 
limited to the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a 
particular purpose. The entire risk as to the quality and preformance of the 
X software and user manual is with you. Should the X software and user 
manual prove defective, you (and not X nor any authorized representative of 
X) assume the entire cost of all necessary servicing, repair or correction."

  There then follows a note that you may have some rights under local 
statutary laws and that no attempt is made to remove these :-).

  Another clause goes on to say:

  "In no event will X or its suppliers be liable to you for any damages, 
including any lost profits, lost savings or other incidental or 
consequential damages arising out of the use or inability to use such X 
software and user manual even if X or an authorized representative of X has 
been advised of the possibility of such damage or for any claim by any other 
party."

  The idea of having someone to take the heat when things go wrong is a 
myth. If you think that's what buying commercial is getting you then you're 
a fool. You probably don't even have any "right" to get a bug fix. Chances 
are you have to pay more money to have the "right" to an upgrade - which may 
or may not fix your problem, but how will you know until you've payed?

  Just about *every* commercial package comes with a license similar to the 
above. Do you want to pay lawyers to try and invalidate the license or do 
you want to get your system working???

                                Mike  

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From: jonat...@mirror.demon.co.uk (jonathan allen)
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Subject: Re: Help... Boss wants SCO
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In article <DMW.94Aug19090...@prism1.prism1.com>
           d...@prism1.prism1.com "David Wright" writes:
>         When someone asks what wordprocessor I use under Linux I say WP51.
> When they ask what spreadsheet I say Lotus 1-2-3, and for what RDBMS I use
> I say Informix. That is usually enough to satisfy anyone that Linux is useable
> in a business environment.

Great - but how ?  I've copied an SCO binary onto my (new) Linux system
and it won't execute it.

Jonathan
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From: ja...@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis)
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Subject: Re: Help... Boss wants SCO
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* In message <777633081...@mirror.demon.co.uk>, jonathan allen said:

ja> > When someone asks what wordprocessor I use under Linux I say WP51.
ja> > When they ask what spreadsheet I say Lotus 1-2-3, and for what RDBMS I
ja> > use
ja> > I say Informix. That is usually enough to satisfy anyone that Linux is
ja> > useable in a business environment.

ja> Great - but how ?  I've copied an SCO binary onto my (new)
ja> Linux system and it won't execute it.

That's because you're skimming the newsgroups a little too shallowly I guess 
:-). Comments about looking on tsx-11.mit.edu under pub/linux/ALPHA/ibcs2 
occur frequently in these "commercial" threads.

                                Mike

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From: gdl2...@myhost.subdomain.domain (Doug Ledford)
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On Tue, 23 Aug 1994 09:11:21 +0000, jonathan allen (jonat...@mirror.demon.co.uk) 
wrote:
: In article <DMW.94Aug19090...@prism1.prism1.com>
:            d...@prism1.prism1.com "David Wright" writes:
: >         When someone asks what wordprocessor I use under Linux I say WP51.
: > When they ask what spreadsheet I say Lotus 1-2-3, and for what RDBMS I use
: > I say Informix. That is usually enough to satisfy anyone that Linux is useable
: > in a business environment.

: Great - but how ?  I've copied an SCO binary onto my (new) Linux system
: and it won't execute it.

: Jonathan
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Sounds to me like you need to get the iBCS2 code from tsx-11 /pub/linux/ALPHA/
ibcs2 and compile it for your system, add a line to /etc/rc.d/rc.local to  
load the module at boot, and have fun running SCO apps.  However, SCO apps
requiring SCO shared libs still will not run at this time unless you have
the relevant libs to copy into /shlib, which would typically mean that you
must have a copy of SCO unix for which you own the license and are not
using it on another machine.  Kinda defeats the purpose until someone gets the
SCO compatible libs running doesn't it.  Fortunately, not all programs use
the shared libs :).

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From: er...@cais.cais.com (Eric Youngdale)
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Subject: Re: Help... Boss wants SCO
Date: 26 Aug 1994 22:31:33 GMT
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In article <33hiir$1...@nic.smsu.edu>,
Doug Ledford <gdl2...@cnas.smsu.edu> wrote:
>Sounds to me like you need to get the iBCS2 code from tsx-11 /pub/linux/ALPHA/
>ibcs2 and compile it for your system, add a line to /etc/rc.d/rc.local to  
>load the module at boot, and have fun running SCO apps.  However, SCO apps
>requiring SCO shared libs still will not run at this time unless you have
>the relevant libs to copy into /shlib, which would typically mean that you
>must have a copy of SCO unix for which you own the license and are not
>using it on another machine.  Kinda defeats the purpose until someone gets the
>SCO compatible libs running doesn't it.  Fortunately, not all programs use
>the shared libs :).

	The SCO compatible libraries are running as I understand it.  The 
people who are working on them have not gotten around to uploading a 
precompiled binary, but they do work.  You no longer need access to
an SCO machine :-).

-Eric

-- 
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep.  But I have promises to keep,
And lines to code before I sleep, And lines to code before I sleep."

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