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Subject: LINUX SUCKS!!!!
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Dear Fellow Netters,

I am writing this to tell you of some common facts.  Linux is a worthless
operating system and should not be run by anyone.  Simply wiping it off
your computer and installing a real system like Windows NT is the best course
of action you can take to defeat this evil plague.

Linux is NOT UNIX and it never will be.  In fact, it is nothing but a look
good feel good pathetic attempt at emulating UNIX.  It is the worst thing 
since Macintosh System 7.  ANy one running Linux should be shot.

Please follow this letters suggestions and remove Linux from your computer.

I am also advising all net admins to remove the Linux INSTALLS from any
ftp site they are currently on.  I have also contacted the US Government
and the SPA to make any site carrying Linux subject to criminal prosecution
for harbouring illegal source code.

Thank You, 

ANd have a Nice day.  

Yours in Freedom,

Jesus Monroy Jr.
Net Guru at Large.
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From: jo...@linux.reshall.umich.edu (John Gotts)
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Subject: Re: LINUX SUCKS!!!!
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If you follow up to this message without removing misc.test from the header you
will spend the next week getting e-mail from what seems like every news site
in the world.  It's fine if you intention is to check your news posting
software, but it's quite another to get a ton of e-mail that you don't want.
That post was one of the finest examples of flame bait that I've seen.  It's
entirely an emotional plea with no factual data to support any claims.  Essen-
tially, it's childishness.

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From: sefa...@crl.com (Stephen E. Farlow)
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Subject: Re: LINUX SUCKS!!!!
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FLAME !!!! This is only YOUR opinion!! I have been running Linux at home 
now for 2 months and I think it's a fabulous operating 
system and puts MS-DOS and MS-Windows to shame!!!
I don't knwo what led you to your opinion, but I think 
that you have just placed yourself in a position to be 
flamed seriously!!
It's nice to have an efficient operating system which 
also provides source code so that a hacker can play 
around with it!
Get OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE! BITE YOUR TONGUE!
This kind of a posting is IRRESPONSIBLE!!
-- 
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email : sefa...@crl.com
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From: schl...@pella.informatik.uni-rostock.de (Juergen Schlegelmilch)
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Stephen E. Farlow (sefa...@crl.com) wrote:
: FLAME !!!! This is only YOUR opinion!! I have been running Linux at home 

 [ very angry outcry deleted ]

: Get OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE! BITE YOUR TONGUE!
: This kind of a posting is IRRESPONSIBLE!!

Calm down, it isn't worth that attention. If I recall correctly,
this is not the first attempt of Mr Monroy jr to get some attention
(I remember some very large postings regarding floppy controllers,
and a major project that noone seems to ever have seen, except
Mr. Monroy himself) in this group. Seems he has got a Windows NT
installation... Just ignore him, and this thread will stop immediately. 

   Juergen

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From: tpor...@netcom.com (Tony Porczyk)
Subject: Re: LINUX SUCKS!!!!
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schl...@pella.informatik.uni-rostock.de (Juergen Schlegelmilch) writes:

>Stephen E. Farlow (sefa...@crl.com) wrote:
>: FLAME !!!! This is only YOUR opinion!! I have been running Linux at home 
> [ very angry outcry deleted ]
>: Get OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE! BITE YOUR TONGUE!
>: This kind of a posting is IRRESPONSIBLE!!

>Calm down, it isn't worth that attention. If I recall correctly,
>this is not the first attempt of Mr Monroy jr to get some attention

Do you have a brain?  Some moron used an anonymous account and signed
Jesus' name to it, and you fall for this?

Pathetic.

t.

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From: jmo...@netcom.com (Jesus Monroy Jr)
Subject: Re: LINUX SUCKS!!!!
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an14...@anon.penet.fi wrote:
: Dear Fellow Netters,

: I am writing this to tell you of some common facts.  Linux is a worthless
: operating system and should not be run by anyone.  Simply wiping it off
: your computer and installing a real system like Windows NT is the best course
: of action you can take to defeat this evil plague.
:
	I'd like to thank Tony for defengin me on this.
	It seems that some rather bright person has gone 
	to the trouble to start this rather idiotic thread.

	As you may, or may not, be aware, I did not author
	or suggest, or even write such a silly article.

	Someone has, in fact, forged my account, maybe 
	because of some of my recent successes.

	I have written to anon.penet.fi to ask the account
	be terminated.  I appologize to everyone for the silly
	childish actions of an individual.   

	I will, of course, as NETCOM to look into the 
	possible elimination of the person's account.
	However, the only clue I have at this time is
	that the "netcom3" machine was used.

	Again, I appologize to all involved as it was not me
	that posted these remarks.    FYI, I was at a local
	SVNET meeting when this thing was being posted.

-- 
Jesus Monroy Jr                                          jmo...@netcom.com
Zebra Research
/386BSD/device-drivers /fd /qic /clock /documentation
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In article <386c93$s...@srvr1.engin.umich.edu> jo...@linux.reshall.umich.edu 
(John Gotts) writes:

   That post was one of the finest examples of flame bait that I've seen.  It's
   entirely an emotional plea with no factual data to support any claims.  Essen-
   tially, it's childishness.

So wait, now you're saying it *was* from Jesus Monroy?

					Jordan

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> Linux is NOT UNIX and it never will be.  In fact, it is nothing but a look
> good feel good pathetic attempt at emulating UNIX.  

Let me get this straight. Linux looks good, and it feels good. I think I'd
better get a copy ASAP.

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In article <CHRISB.94O...@stork.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> 
chr...@stork.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Chris Bitmead) writes:

   > Linux is NOT UNIX and it never will be.  In fact, it is nothing but a look
   > good feel good pathetic attempt at emulating UNIX.  

   Let me get this straight. Linux looks good, and it feels good. I think I'd
   better get a copy ASAP.

Lots of things look good and feel good.  It's what they do for you
after the honeymoon is over that counts.



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>In article <CHRISB.94O...@stork.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> 
chr...@stork.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Chris Bitmead) writes:
>
>   > Linux is NOT UNIX and it never will be.  In fact, it is nothing but a look
>   > good feel good pathetic attempt at emulating UNIX.  
>

Um... (and after checking the header trice :-) ) could you please
indicate where this "look good feel good pathetic attempt" falls
short of the original?

Paai.

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Chris Bitmead (chr...@stork.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au) wrote:

: > Linux is NOT UNIX and it never will be.  In fact, it is nothing but a look
: > good feel good pathetic attempt at emulating UNIX.  

Not, it's just a pathetic excuse by some spies for Bill Gates so that 
Microsoft would control the UNIX market, which they will never do.

I was never fooled by XENIX.

: Let me get this straight. Linux looks good, and it feels good. I think I'd
: better get a copy ASAP.

Linux sucks dick, and it will never have the potency of BSD, so just throw
it away..

"If it doesn't say BSD...it's not UNIX"

--
"Your words, waste in decay
Nothing you say, reaches my ears anyway" -ELP, The Endless Enigma

Brendan John Francis Scallon                 Liberal yet politically incorrect
sca...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu                               Catholic yet pro-choice

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Brendan J. F. Scallon (sca...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: Chris Bitmead (chr...@stork.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au) wrote:
: : > Linux is NOT UNIX and it never will be.  In fact, it is nothing but a look
: : > good feel good pathetic attempt at emulating UNIX.  

here's an easy solution:  don't get it, and unsubscribe from the news groups


: Linux sucks dick, and it will never have the potency of BSD, so just throw
: it away..
: "If it doesn't say BSD...it's not UNIX"

heheh, yeah, bsd rox! (insert sarcasm here) thats why the industry is dumping
sysv and moving completely to it (yawn)

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From: pe...@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva)
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In article <38nae2$k...@ringer.cs.utsa.edu>,
Rob Coursey <rcou...@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> wrote:
>heheh, yeah, bsd rox! (insert sarcasm here) thats why the industry is dumping
>sysv and moving completely to it (yawn)

You're using an industry that's embracing NT close to its mercenary little
heart as indicative of anything other than where ad dollars have been handed
it (counting bribes to trade magazines, of course)?

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From: j...@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
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In article <CyC5G...@bonkers.taronga.com> pe...@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) 
writes:

   You're using an industry that's embracing NT close to its mercenary little
   heart as indicative of anything other than where ad dollars have been handed
   it (counting bribes to trade magazines, of course)?

Huh?  I wasn't aware that *anyone* was embracing NT close to their
hearts, mercenary or otherwise!  It's been an utter commercial failure
so far.

					Jordan

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In article <JKH.94Oc...@freefall.cdrom.com>,
Jordan K. Hubbard <j...@freefall.cdrom.com> wrote:
>In article <CyC5G...@bonkers.taronga.com> pe...@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) 
writes:
>   You're using an industry that's embracing NT close to its mercenary little
>   heart as indicative of anything other than where ad dollars have been handed
>   it (counting bribes to trade magazines, of course)?

>Huh?  I wasn't aware that *anyone* was embracing NT close to their
>hearts, mercenary or otherwise!

Must be reading different trade magazines. There's not a lot of reports of
people using it successfully, but it's sure getting a lot of puff pieces
thrown its way.

>It's been an utter commercial failure
>so far.

It's doing better than Windows was at the same stage.

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In article <MICHAELV.94...@MindBender.HeadCandy.com> 
mich...@MindBender.HeadCandy.com (Michael L. VanLoon) writes:
>   Let me get this straight. Linux looks good, and it feels good. I think I'd
>   better get a copy ASAP.
>Lots of things look good and feel good.  It's what they do for you
>after the honeymoon is over that counts.

Well three years on its doing wonders for me here. Ditto FreeBSD, pity about
the fact Windows still doesn't work properly 8)

Alan


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J.J. Paijmans (pa...@kub.nl) wrote:
: >In article <CHRISB.94O...@stork.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au> 
chr...@stork.cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Chris Bitmead) writes:
: >
: >   > Linux is NOT UNIX and it never will be.  In fact, it is nothing but a look
: >   > good feel good pathetic attempt at emulating UNIX.  
: >

: Um... (and after checking the header trice :-) ) could you please
: indicate where this "look good feel good pathetic attempt" falls
: short of the original?

: Paai.




  You can see that people are getting upset that linux is popular. People
alway start SH#T when they get upset. It like the Car and truck crap
who drives the better car(or makes that better car). All that is important
s that it will get you where you are going. I have used NCR(AT&T), SunOS,
Interactiv Unix, and SCO. Linux has all that is needed plus alot that is not
:-) It sounds to me like (From reading the posts) that is just a bunch of
BSDers gitting pissed that linux is growing as fast as it is. OK so it
emulates UNIX and DOS and SCO sorry it runs unix programs and can use a DOS
emulater and run SCO Bins. People alway say if it smells like shit it is.

 As far as me removing it from my 3 systems. Whant in one hand and shit in
the other and see which one get full first.

 This does not help Paai with his question. Linux is not perfect. Thats why
there are patchs. But Linux is the best thing I every got for free. Good job
to Linus and all the others. If linux SUCKS so much then you should not be
wasting your time on this CRAP. Go post in the BSD groups and help someone
there.

  Robert Murray
  rmu...@pcn.proline.com

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In article <38r077$q...@pcn.proline.com> 
rmu...@pcn.proline.com (Robert Murray - MARCO North American) writes:

     You can see that people are getting upset that linux is popular. People
   alway start SH#T when they get upset. It like the Car and truck crap

Can we fucking end this thread now?  It was flame baiting, ok?  Get a
clue, guy, and repeat after me: F-L-A-M-E-B-A-I-T-I-N-G.  This means
that you don't need to jump slavering to your favorite OS's defense
like one of Pavlov's mangy mutts, at least not unless you want
everyone to know you for the clueless dweeb you obviously are.  Some
of us have made fun of this thread, others have commented on some of
the actually worthy tangental points that came up as a side-effect,
but this entire sorry subject did NOT come from an actual BSD advocate
eager to score points on the Linux camp, this came from somebody
trying to yank your chain, OK buddy?  Do I have to carve this on your
forehead before you notice that something is possibly just a bit
suspicious?

I'm sorry, but it's really starting to annoy me that some of the Linux
camp is actually thick enough to think that the real BSD advocates
actually have any truck with this garbage.  Those of us who aren't
still actually in elementary school, spending our summers seeing who
can have get the highest score in "Mortal Kombat XIVII", have
absolutely no problem with Linux.  It's a fine operating system and I
sincerely hope that everyone connected with it has a long and happy
run.  Be successful, be happy, just try to keep your diarrhetic dogs
off our lawn and we'll try to do the same!

If I could find the guy who started this sorry thread, I'd string him
up by his balls with piano wire!

					Jordan

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From: Ted.H...@nessie.mcc.ac.uk (Ted Harding)
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In the Linux-Misc mailing list,
it would seem that j...@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) wrote:
====================================================================
| Can we fucking end this thread now?  It was flame baiting, ok?  Get a
| clue, guy, and repeat after me: F-L-A-M-E-B-A-I-T-I-N-G.
|
And much more in a similar vein. I'm sorry, this is out of order.
"Linux SUCKS" is a 90% silly thread but I glance it once in a while
just in case. This time I got the above earful.

I wish to make it clear that I AM OFFENDED by having such language
dumped on me.

People who want to abuse other people can use personal mail addresses
and take their chances. There is no place for it on a public list.
It would be a shame if the list had to become "moderated" because
of this kind of language.

Ted.                                     (Ted.H...@nessie.mcc.ac.uk) 

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| And much more in a similar vein. I'm sorry, this is out of order.
| "Linux SUCKS" is a 90% silly thread but I glance it once in a while
| just in case. This time I got the above earful.

I'm sorry if you were an innocent bystander who got caught up in a
flame that wasn't yours, but hey, what can I say guy, this is USENET!
Shit happens!  That flame was actually, IMNSHO, long overdue.  I'm
usually pretty long-suffering about this kind of thing, but that sorry
thread has been simply dragging on far too long, and it was causing
heavy disruption on both groups.  If my dynamite tactic actually works
in snuffing that thread, then I'll admit right up front that I'll be
more than happily consider unlucky folks like yourself "acceptable
collateral damage" as The Military so likes to put it.  This is
USENET!  It's a great big unruly crowd, ok?  You have as much
rationale in expecting not to be offended on USENET as you do in not
expecting to get your pocket picked while hanging around, looking
ostentatiously rich, at a Turkish open-air bazaar!

There are cooler kitchens to hang around in, if heat is a problem for
you.  Look, I'm scarcely the best and I'm scarcely the worst in
comp.os.{386bsd,linux}.*, and if you can't take even this level of
vitriol then why not save yourself some grief and just leave _now_?
I've very little sympathy for this position, it must be said, having
seen some 15 years of rightous indignation on the net work just about
as effectively as yours, which is to say not at all.  USENET is as
pompous-indignation-proof as a 7 year old street urchin; it will
simply laugh at you! :-)

				Jordan

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In article <CyD8B...@bonkers.taronga.com> pe...@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) 
writes:
>In article <JKH.94Oc...@freefall.cdrom.com>,
>Jordan K. Hubbard <j...@freefall.cdrom.com> wrote:
>>In article <CyC5G...@bonkers.taronga.com> pe...@bonkers.taronga.com (Peter da Silva) 
>>writes:
>>   You're using an industry that's embracing NT close to its mercenary little
>>   heart as indicative of anything other than where ad dollars have been handed
>>   it (counting bribes to trade magazines, of course)?
>>Huh?  I wasn't aware that *anyone* was embracing NT close to their
>>hearts, mercenary or otherwise!
>Must be reading different trade magazines. There's not a lot of reports of
>people using it successfully, but it's sure getting a lot of puff pieces
>thrown its way.

It was a fast well priced file server. 3.5 now has this idiot client license
system so with lots of clients its like Novell - ludicrously expensive. How
can it be justified too - it doesn't cost microsoft any more if you add more
clients using the box.

SAMBA under Unix is at least free allbeit a little slower.

Alan
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From: j...@freefall.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard)
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Subject: Can we quit with the "LINUX SUCKS" headers now please?
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It hardly looks professional for newcomers to these newsgroups to see
dozens of messages with the subject "LINUX SUCKS"; it makes everyone
here look like a bunch of flamers who's own operating system has so
little going for it that all they can do with their spare time is
throw rocks at the other.

Please, Linux does NOT suck.  It's got some nice features and instead
of flaming it, we really ought be looking very very hard at just why
it's got a user base about 5 times bigger than ours and thinking of
how we might address this imbalance!  As the old saying goes "You
really can't argue with success."

					Jordan

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Jordan K. Hubbard (j...@freefall.cdrom.com) wrote:
: It hardly looks professional for newcomers to these newsgroups to see
: dozens of messages with the subject "LINUX SUCKS"; it makes everyone
: here look like a bunch of flamers who's own operating system has so
: little going for it that all they can do with their spare time is
: throw rocks at the other.

: Please, Linux does NOT suck.  It's got some nice features and instead
: of flaming it, we really ought be looking very very hard at just why
: it's got a user base about 5 times bigger than ours and thinking of
: how we might address this imbalance!  As the old saying goes "You
: really can't argue with success."
:
	I agree with Jordan.

	Although this thread may be my fault, I have no 
	way to control it other than not adding to it
	(like I did tonight)

	With respect to Jordan's request, I won't post to
	this thread and ask that others do the same...
	at the very least change the "Subject" line.

	Thanks.

-- 
Jesus Monroy Jr                                          jmo...@netcom.com
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