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From: a...@fwi.uva.nl (Arie Maaskant)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Linux is NOT a real alternative for DOS in it's present state !!!
Date: 24 Jan 1995 17:10:30 +0100
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 I use a Linux-system at home and I am very statisfied with it. However I am
used to work on Unix-systems for more then 10 years now. 

 However I do not think, that Linux is a real alternative for DOS users, that
are totally dependent of their system in a production environment. The most
important commercial software can be run on older DOS-versions then the latest
ones. Company's that make software should be stupid otherwise.

The last time I bought a CD with Linux on it, was Oktober 94 ( so only 3 months
ago ). It had the kernelversion 1.0.9 on it. However I had also an MSDOS
partition on it ( doublespaced ) and wanted to be able to read this partition
too. Well, one needs a kernel higher then app. 1.1.18. If you want to use
DOS under Linux, you'd better use a higher version then app. 1.1.60.
These are only two examples.

 As a matter of fact one needs to use the latest kernel, to be sure to be
able to run the last applications. For an average DOS user, it is NOT
realistic to upgrade the kernel every day.

 My 2 advises:
1) There should be a stable kernel for approximately one year. It is not
necessary that it supports all the latest hardware. The average user
is only interested in newer/fancier/faster etc. hardware when there
is a stable and bugfree kernel for it. So if you want a stable Linux
system then take a selection out of the hardwarelist, that belongs
to the last stable kernel.

2) Now the more important thing I think. All the applications, that are made
for Linux, should run and should be able to compile on this last stable
Linux version and not only on some experimental version, that changes
every day. If there are applications made for newer versions, they
should be called "testversions" or "betaversions" or whatever. The
average DOS users, that want to be converted to Linux could avoid these
versions or jump on the bandwagon of the everchanging kernel.:{

These betaversions can only be called "official" versions, when there
arrives a new "stable" kernel.

To convince a DOS user to try Linux, one should offer him a ( minimal )
and STABLE system ( including applications ), or else Linux stays a
system for hobbiests. ( AND A VERY GOOD SYSTEM, I DON'T WANT TO BE
MISUNDERSTOOD :-)
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From: famme...@iiic.ethz.ch (Frank Richard Ammeter)
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Subject: Re: Linux is NOT a real alternative for DOS in it's present state !!!
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Of course Linux is not an alternative for DOS. The average DOS user does 
not need Linux, since he does word processing only. Very few people really
need a good OS: this explains Mircosoft's success. 
								

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From: c2a...@ugrad.cs.ubc.ca (Kazimir Kylheku)
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Subject: Re: Linux is NOT a real alternative for DOS in it's present state !!!
Date: 28 Jan 1995 11:49:37 -0800
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In article <3g7u2j$...@neptune.ethz.ch>,
Frank Richard Ammeter <famme...@iiic.ethz.ch> wrote:
>Of course Linux is not an alternative for DOS. The average DOS user does 
>not need Linux, since he does word processing only. Very few people really
>need a good OS: this explains Mircosoft's success. 

No, very few people _perceive_ the need for a good OS because they
have no idea of what one is. The average computer owner thinks that
computers inherently lack reliability and robustness. For this
perception, yo can thank the likes of Microsoft and Apple.

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From: hallp...@imm.unit.no (Hallvard Paulsen)
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Subject: Re: Linux is NOT a real alternative for DOS in it's present state !!!
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In article <3ge74hINN...@keats.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca>, 
|> 
|> No, very few people _perceive_ the need for a good OS because they
|> have no idea of what one is. The average computer owner thinks that
|> computers inherently lack reliability and robustness. For this
|> perception, yo can thank the likes of Microsoft and Apple.
|> 

Indeed, do we need computers, and do we need cars. Maybe
we could use a T-ford or a horse? And so on...

The fact is that linux is here, it for most purposes it
does a better job than DOS and therefore most
people that use DOS today will benefit from a change
to linux.

Isn't it as simple as this?

Hallvard P.

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From: slegg...@u.washington.edu (Stacy Leggitt)
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is NOT a real alternative for DOS in it's present state !!!
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>The fact is that linux is here, it for most purposes it
>does a better job than DOS and therefore most
>people that use DOS today will benefit from a change
>to linux.
>

Okay, "speak to me like I'm 2 years old." :)  Exactly what does it do
better than DOS, and how.  For somebody that's only nominally into
programming.

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From: b...@ipp-garching.mpg.de (Bruce       Scott          TOK  )
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is NOT a real alternative for DOS in it's present state !!!
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In article <3h9fpi$...@news.u.washington.edu>, slegg...@u.washington.edu 
(Stacy Leggitt) writes:
|> >The fact is that linux is here, it for most purposes it
|> >does a better job than DOS and therefore most
|> >people that use DOS today will benefit from a change
|> >to linux.
|> >
|> 
|> Okay, "speak to me like I'm 2 years old." :)  Exactly what does it do
|> better than DOS, and how.  For somebody that's only nominally into
|> programming.

In a word, networking.

-- 
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From: muzaf...@smixedsignal.com
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is NOT a real alternative for DOS in it's present state !!!
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In article <3hdvd9INN...@slcbds.aug.ipp-garching.mpg.de>, > In article 
<3h9fpi$...@news.u.washington.edu>, slegg...@u.washington.edu (Stacy Leggitt) 
writes:
> |> >The fact is that linux is here, it for most purposes it
> |> >does a better job than DOS and therefore most
> |> >people that use DOS today will benefit from a change
> |> >to linux.
> |> >
> |> 
> |> Okay, "speak to me like I'm 2 years old." :)  Exactly what does it do
> |> better than DOS, and how.  For somebody that's only nominally into
> |> programming.
> 
> In a word, networking.

hmm, does it connect to a Netware server ? What about to a WfW 3.11 ? Does
it to NetBIOS ? XNS ? Lantastic networks ? LanMan ?

Yes, Linux talks to another Linux box but what about those 100 M machines
running other protocols ?

Muzaffer

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From: nath...@bin.anu.edu.au (Nathan Hand)
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Subject: Re: Linux is NOT a real alternative for DOS in it's present state !!!
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Highlander C H B M (l39...@ci.ist.utl.pt) wrote:
: : >Then it 
: : >has real multiprocessing 

: : 	It has multiTASKING.  Multiprocessing is the ability to use
: : multiple CPUs concurrently, which Linux does not (yet) have.  Some folx
: : are working on a multithreaded, multiprocessing kernel (Viper), but I
: : haven't heard much about it for some time now.

: 	You're right ! ( my mistake ) btw : as anybody heard of multiprocessing
: for PC ? ( bet not :-( )

I believe NT supports multiple processors. You can buy dual Pentiums
right now. NT runs your old Win16 apps so if you run >1 application
you will be multiprocessing.

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From: maddi...@awadi.com.au (Mark Addinall)
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Subject: Re: Linux is NOT a real alternative for DOS
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> I believe NT supports multiple processors. You can buy dual Pentiums
> right now. NT runs your old Win16 apps so if you run >1 application
> you will be multiprocessing.
> 
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SCO has had MPX support for a couple of years, COMPAQ multi-CPU machines
were running it back in '91.

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From: iia...@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux is NOT a real alternative for DOS in it's present state !!!
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In article <NEWTNews.10619.792384664.muzaf...@omer1.smixedsignal.com> 
muzaf...@smixedsignal.com writes:
>> In a word, networking.
>hmm, does it connect to a Netware server ? What about to a WfW 3.11 ? Does
>it to NetBIOS ? XNS ? Lantastic networks ? LanMan ?
>
>Yes, Linux talks to another Linux box but what about those 100 M machines
>running other protocols ?

Well lets see NFS is an international standard. Linux talks that
WfW 3.11 SMB over IP is supported (including long file name for NT etc)
Appletalk is supported for both Phase 1 and Phase 2.
Lan manager is SMB - please read before you write
XNS is dead (IMHO)
Netware is a Novell protected secret so we are all waiting for Undocumented 
 Netware so we can write Novell client/server support. You can use Novell
in a DOS window of course.
Lantastic I don't have any docs on again.

Oh and all the available stuff is free, and with source code.

I'd say novell is the real issue and that regretably isn't made easy by
Novell themselves.


Alan
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From: iia...@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
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In article <3hs8daINN...@myall.awadi.com.au> maddi...@awadi.com.au writes:
>SCO has had MPX support for a couple of years, COMPAQ multi-CPU machines
>were running it back in '91.

And TOPS-10 was MP just a while before that, as was stuff like GCOS-3/TSS

Alan
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