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From: nel...@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Subject: HOWTO: Promote the use of Linux
Date: 1995/09/18
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Are you J. Random Linux user?  Do you want to help popularize Linux?
You *can* help.    When you buy a piece of hardware for your Linux
machine, make sure that the company knows that you're buying it for
use with Linux.  Hardware manufacturers and distributors need to know
how big the Linux market is.  Once they do, they will start supporting
Linux.  Once the hardware manufacturers support Linux, the software
manufacturers will support it.

And the world will be a better place.

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From: saj...@cs.tamu.edu (Sajedur R Chowdhury)
Subject: Re: HOWTO: Promote the use of Linux
Date: 1995/09/18
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In article <NELSON.95Sep18142...@crynwr.crynwr.com>,
Russell Nelson <nel...@crynwr.crynwr.com> wrote:
>Hardware manufacturers and distributors need to know
>how big the Linux market is.  Once they do, they will start supporting
>Linux.

With Linux, there exists no entity that is responsible for it. So, no
matter how good Linux is, major hardware vendors are unlikely to support
Linux officially. Futhermore - look at OS/2, even with the backing of a
company like IBM, how many vendors do you know who'll "officially" support
OS/2?


-Sajed
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From: m...@bob.sc.colostate.edu (Mike Loseke)
Subject: Re: HOWTO: Promote the use of Linux
Date: 1995/09/18
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In article <43kees$...@news.tamu.edu>,
Sajedur R Chowdhury <saj...@cs.tamu.edu> wrote:
>In article <NELSON.95Sep18142...@crynwr.crynwr.com>,
>Russell Nelson <nel...@crynwr.crynwr.com> wrote:
>>Hardware manufacturers and distributors need to know
>>how big the Linux market is.  Once they do, they will start supporting
>>Linux.
>
>With Linux, there exists no entity that is responsible for it. So, no
>matter how good Linux is, major hardware vendors are unlikely to support
>Linux officially.

On the other hand, look at DEC. They're going to fully (I think) support Linux
on their Alpha platforms. They are also going to honor the GPL and make
available any and all source code developed for Linux. There is an article
in the current Linux Journal (Oct '95) which talks about DEC's strategy for
Linux.

>Futhermore - look at OS/2, even with the backing of a
>company like IBM, how many vendors do you know who'll "officially" support
>OS/2?

Haha! Good one! Gotta love IBM. Kinda like watching a wiener dog with no legs.

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From: Loren Schweitzer <lor...@iadfw.net>
Subject: Re: HOWTO: Promote the use of Linux
Date: 1995/09/18
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This is an interesting question. I live in Dallas, TX and the nearest 
Linux Users Group is in Houston. I sent them email and he sent a terse 
reply back saying, start one there. Well, first of all, I have no idea 
how to get in touch with people.

So, I wonder how many of you folks are registered with the Linux Counter. 
They have a paltry number of users listed, but they estimate that there 
are === milions === of Linux folks out there!!!!!

I think the first step would be registering with the counter to help 
promote Linux. I am making the switch because I am sick to death of M7 
and all their hype.

As for telling hardware vendors that you are using it for Linux, most of 
them have never heard of it. That was my experience. One guy did know of 
it, and he said it was a b*&^# to get configured. Well, my probs weren't 
with the hardware!

my 2 cents worth.

From: nel...@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Subject: Re: HOWTO: Promote the use of Linux
Date: 1995/09/19
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In article <43kgj9$...@news.iadfw.net> Loren Schweitzer <lor...@iadfw.net> writes:

   As for telling hardware vendors that you are using it for Linux, most of 
   them have never heard of it. That was my experience.

Right, that's the point.  The companies most likely to support Linux
are the companies making money off it.  Who's making money off Linux
now?  Hardware and CD-ROM vendors.  But if they don't know that you're
buying it for Linux, how would they know?  And if they've never heard
of Linux, it's because you (the plural you, not Loren) haven't told them.

Always, always tell vendors that you want their hardware to work with
Linux.  Make it a condition of sale.  Write "Must be Linux compatible"
on a purchase order -- if they accept the purchase order, it's a
binding contract.

--
-russ <nel...@crynwr.com>    http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson
Crynwr Software   | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | PGP ok
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Potsdam, NY 13676 |  much like today's average Middle-Eastern terrorist.

From: iia...@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: HOWTO: Promote the use of Linux
Date: 1995/09/22
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In article <43kees$...@news.tamu.edu> saj...@cs.tamu.edu (Sajedur R Chowdhury) 
writes:
>In article <NELSON.95Sep18142...@crynwr.crynwr.com>,
>Russell Nelson <nel...@crynwr.crynwr.com> wrote:
>>Hardware manufacturers and distributors need to know
>>how big the Linux market is.  Once they do, they will start supporting
>>Linux.
>
>With Linux, there exists no entity that is responsible for it. So, no
>matter how good Linux is, major hardware vendors are unlikely to support
>Linux officially. Futhermore - look at OS/2, even with the backing of a
>company like IBM, how many vendors do you know who'll "officially" support
>OS/2?

Vendors don't mind that. They only need to realise one thing. Cost of
support < extra_profit. In the Linux market it can be as simple as giving
a Linux developer a board, and the documentation and saying go do...

Those vendors who won't release docs don't get. 

Alan
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From: djbar...@jazzmin.vnet.net (Donnie Barnes)
Subject: Re: HOWTO: Promote the use of Linux
Date: 1995/09/27
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In article <43kgtt$2...@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>,
Mike Loseke <m...@bob.sc.colostate.edu> wrote:
>In article <43kees$...@news.tamu.edu>,
>Sajedur R Chowdhury <saj...@cs.tamu.edu> wrote:
>>In article <NELSON.95Sep18142...@crynwr.crynwr.com>,
>>Russell Nelson <nel...@crynwr.crynwr.com> wrote:
>>>Hardware manufacturers and distributors need to know
>>>how big the Linux market is.  Once they do, they will start supporting
>>>Linux.
>>
>>With Linux, there exists no entity that is responsible for it. So, no
>>matter how good Linux is, major hardware vendors are unlikely to support
>>Linux officially.
>
>On the other hand, look at DEC. They're going to fully (I think) support Linux
>on their Alpha platforms. They are also going to honor the GPL and make
>available any and all source code developed for Linux. There is an article
>in the current Linux Journal (Oct '95) which talks about DEC's strategy for
>Linux.

Well, after having dinner and drinks with maddog Hall last week, it
is apparent that DEC will support Linux in some way.  They will most likely
not ship Linux pre-installed on any system.  That's only because "if
[they] did, [they] would be shipping kernel 1.2 when 1.8 was out".
They are helping the Linux-Alpha effort a great deal, but they will not
ship it themselves.

>>Futhermore - look at OS/2, even with the backing of a
>>company like IBM, how many vendors do you know who'll "officially" support
>>OS/2?
>
>Haha! Good one! Gotta love IBM. Kinda like watching a wiener dog with no legs.

I agree wwith Russ wholeheartedly on this one.  Every video card I've ever
bought comes with OS/2 drivers.  Hardware vendors will support us 
one day, count on it.  We can thank companies like DEC for having the
vision to show the way (and people like maddog for showing DEC the
way :-).

--Donnie

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