Tech Insider					   Technology and Trends


			   USENET Archives

List:       linux-video
Subject:    [video4linux] news from ATI
From:       Martin Pilaski <pilaski () vogon ! mathi ! uni-heidelberg ! DE>
Date:       1998-06-18 23:21:03

Hi,

as the subject reveals I have some news from ATI. It is not really good 
news but it helped me to see where we stand. 

I called ATI development relations today in order to get some hints on 
why my I2C code is not working. I was pretty surprised when I had to hear 
that I shuld not have the I2C bus specifications at all. My version of 
the RagePro Register Reference Manual has been accidentialy downloadable 
form their secure ( developers ) webserver. I should better forget about 
it or even burn it. So there was no help with the I2C bus in sight.

Further questions reveiled that ATI has already noticed that there is 
growing demand for a linux driver. They are working out a strategy and a 
means to provide linux developers with heaven on earth to make them wirte 
the video interface. It could be mid-july that they are done with it. In 
this case they plan to contact famous linux developers ( Alan, that's you 
! ). But for now there is not even a bit of cooperartion.

I really would like to know what they intend with this tactics. First 
they tell everyone to get lost and some months later they come back 
crawling on their knees. Unfortunatly I think I am to posessed with the 
thought of haveing a video-window on my X desktop to quit working. If 
they really do not assist me in writing the i2c part I have to figure out 
how it works by myself or I start somewhere else.

I hope I did not annoy you with this, and you do not mind the bitterness 
and irony. I had to get rid of some anger ...

Martin
------------
To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@phunk.org with the
line "unsubscribe video4linux" without the quotes in the body of the
message.

List:       linux-video
Subject:    Re: [video4linux] news from ATI
From:       Alan Cox <alan () cymru ! net>
Date:       1998-06-19 0:18:39

> why my I2C code is not working. I was pretty surprised when I had to hear 
> that I shuld not have the I2C bus specifications at all. My version of 

Grin

> the RagePro Register Reference Manual has been accidentialy downloadable 
> form their secure ( developers ) webserver. I should better forget about 
> it or even burn it. So there was no help with the I2C bus in sight.

Well if you have them I guess its their screw up ;)

> means to provide linux developers with heaven on earth to make them wirte 
> the video interface. It could be mid-july that they are done with it. In 
> this case they plan to contact famous linux developers ( Alan, that's you 
> ! ). But for now there is not even a bit of cooperartion.

More likely it'll be the Xfree folks. If they come asking me I'll point
them at you 8)

Alan
------------
To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@phunk.org with the
line "unsubscribe video4linux" without the quotes in the body of the
message.

List:       linux-video
Subject:    Re: [video4linux] news from ATI
From:       Martin Pilaski <pilaski () vogon ! mathi ! uni-heidelberg ! DE>
Date:       1998-06-19 7:29:59

On Thu, 18 Jun 1998, Paulo Castro wrote:

> Listening these lines...
> Also ansious to have ATI AllinWonder working in my X Desktop...
> I tried some weeks ago to obtain some "support" from ATI.
> 
> Here you have their answer:
> =============================================================
> ATI Customer Support has received numerous requests asking
> for assistance with ATI products in use with the XFree X Windows System 
> under the LINUX shareware operating system.
OH, Linux is shareware ! I did not know that.
 
> Due to the nature of LINUX and XFree, the way in which they have 
> been developed and the lack of a supporting vendor, it is not 
> possible for ATI to assist end-users in configuring these pieces of 
> software.  With other Unix Operating Systems we recommend  
> contacting the UNIX vendor for assistance. LINUX users are 
> encouraged to check the X-Windows or LINUX newsgroups on the 
> Internet.
> 
> ATI has worked with various LINUX developers to assist them in 
> designing and writing drivers to support ATI boards. ATI does NOT 
> write the drivers.
Yes the really did. The helped the X11 people along with what was formely 
known as XSuSe_mach64.
 
> We do supply limited technical documentation and we sell the
> Programmer's Reference Manuals for the ATI graphics products. This 
> information is provided on an as is basis and we leave the 
> interpretation of the information up to you.
> 
> If you require additional information  in this regard for the  ATI  
> graphics boards please see our Technical Note #77. The information 
> in this Technical Note should be sufficient for the end user. Full 
> Programmer's  Reference  Manuals  are  available,  for a fee, upon 
> request.
> 
> Bla, bla and more bla...
> ================================================================
> I guess you got some of this "support" pior to me...
> I would like to know WHO is/are the developer(s) they mention...
>
> And the section about the manual is really great when they say:
> "interpretation of the information up to you"...
Yep. Right now I am at a point where this information is a little 
missleading.
 
> The only thing you can really get is the BT829 manual/specs in PDF.
> It is at rockwell web site ready to download.
Or you are registert developer and are furthermore lucky and get a manual 
from their website that should not have benn released. I checked that 
today. The version I have is 1.05 form Jan98 right now they have put on 1.03 
form late97 instead. But most fun of all ist that in this revision 1.03's 
introduction they discribe chapters that do not apper in this manual but 
in rev 1.05. OOPS ! ;-)
 
> Good luck!
> Best Regards
> Eng.Ele. PCastro
> 
> 
------------
To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@phunk.org with the
line "unsubscribe video4linux" without the quotes in the body of the
message.

			   USENET Archives


The materials and information included in this website may only be used
for purposes such as criticism, review, private study, scholarship, or 
research.


Electronic mail:			      WorldWideWeb:
   tech-insider@outlook.com		         http://tech-insider.org/