From: Michael Champigny <champign cadtls hlo dec com>
To: redhat com!axp-list crl dec com
Subject: Red Hat Contrib|Net???
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:32:24 -0400 (EDT)
Whatever happened to the Red Hat Contrib|Net project? Has this been
abandoned? I noticed that Debian's upcoming Alpha distro will have
*hundreds* more packages shipped than Red Hat. It seems to be in
Red Hat's best interest to start diversifying it's RPMs. Over the
past few releases, very few new RPMs have made it in.
I for one don't have time to waste downloading stuff and building from
sources. Last I heard this was supposed to be started in May sometime.
PowerTools is great, but not the answer.
Any comments fro Red Hat or those in the know?
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From: Mike Wangsmo <wanger redhat com>
To: axp-list redhat com
Subject: Re: Red Hat Contrib|Net???
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:56:09 -0400
On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 15:32:24 -0400 (EDT), Michael Champigny wrote:
>Whatever happened to the Red Hat Contrib|Net project? Has this been
>abandoned? I noticed that Debian's upcoming Alpha distro will have
>*hundreds* more packages shipped than Red Hat. It seems to be in
>Red Hat's best interest to start diversifying it's RPMs. Over the
>past few releases, very few new RPMs have made it in.
Contribnet is still there. It is just waiting for staffing on our side
to manage it. There is a reason for the number of packages we ship
remaining the same. We have a very complete operating system as it is.
It really doesn't need anything else as far as an OS is concerned. The
Powertools is the place where cool, new things belong.
>I for one don't have time to waste downloading stuff and building from
>sources. Last I heard this was supposed to be started in May sometime.
>PowerTools is great, but not the answer.
The core OS doesn't need anything else to be a complete, rich OS. As
new feature packages that are deemed essential to the OS surface, then
they will be included in the core dist. Contribnet will not be
distributed by us either. So with it, you'll still be downloading
packages that you want. I'm not sure how that will differ from
powertools.
Mike
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From: Steve Frampton <frampton mail flarc edu on ca>
To: axp-list redhat com
Subject: Re: Red Hat Contrib|Net???
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:27:21 -0400 (EDT)
On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Mike Wangsmo wrote:
> Contribnet is still there. It is just waiting for staffing on our side
> to manage it. There is a reason for the number of packages we ship
> remaining the same. We have a very complete operating system as it is.
> It really doesn't need anything else as far as an OS is concerned. The
> Powertools is the place where cool, new things belong.
True, Mike, very true. After you guys pissed me off with earlier
offerings, you finally got it right with 5.1 -- I purchased the Intel
version from Cheap*Bytes (sorry!) but I purchased the "Official" box set
for both Alpha as well as Sparc direct from Red hat, and am ecstatic with
this release on all three platforms.
Anyways, as I was saying, true, your distribution is fairly complete *but*
for the price you guys are charging it wouldn't kill you to add another CD
to your box set. :-)
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From: Mike Wangsmo <wanger redhat com>
To: axp-list redhat com
Subject: Re: Red Hat Contrib|Net???
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:45:24 -0400
On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 16:27:21 -0400 (EDT), Steve Frampton wrote:
>Anyways, as I was saying, true, your distribution is fairly complete *but*
>for the price you guys are charging it wouldn't kill you to add another CD
>to your box set. :-)
What??????? We charge next to nothing for the boxed set. Adding
another CD requires testing, development, marketing, etc. The cost is
very large to us to add components to the dist. I just bought a couple
OEM copies of win98 for my lab and for 90$ I got a tiny book (with a
cool graphic on it), a CD/jewel box, a boot floppy and some marketing
crap. I'd like to think we have that beat by a long shot (and as M$ is
the standard) I'm glad to say we've raised the standard to another
level.
Mike
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From: "Jon 'maddog' Hall, USG Senior Leader" <hall zk3 dec com>
To: axp-list redhat com
Cc: hall zk3 dec com
Subject: Re: Red Hat Contrib|Net???
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 98 17:54:25 -0400
> I just bought a couple OEM copies of win98 for my lab and for 90$ I got
> a tiny book (with a cool graphic on it), a CD/jewel box, a boot floppy and
> some marketing crap.
Since OEM copies are usually at cost, I would like to estimate the
breakdown of costs for the Microsoft products:
Tiny book ...........................................$ 1.00
Cool Graphic.........................................$ 2.00
CD...................................................$ 1.95
Jewel Case...........................................$ 0.75
Boot Floppy..........................................$ 0.39
Put Stuff on Boot Floppy.............................$ 1.34
Allowance on returns because boot floppy bad...$ 0.90
Marketing Crap.......................................$81.67
Sorry, just had to comment. :-)
md
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