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List:       linux-video
Subject:    [video4linux] ATI is at least thinking about us :-/
From:       Stian Seeberg <stian () nimsoft ! no>
Date:       1998-10-12 10:52:29

Hello, 

I got this from Marketing at ATI today, and thought I would share it with
the list. For those of us who were dumb enough to buy an ATI card after
checking with XFree86 but not checking with you guys the news is not
great, but at least ATI seem to be looking at the possibility of releasing
a binary version of a driver if nothing else. Personally I could live with
that, even though the solution is imperfect...a binary in the hand is
better than source on the roof, eh? ;-)

Anyone who has contacted the developers at ATI have anything to add?

Stian

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:03:20 -0400
From: Marketing <marketing@atitech.com>
To: 'Stian Seeberg' <stian@nimsoft.no>
Subject: RE: Drivers for the TV tuner under Linux/XFree86

It has been brought to our attention that you are interested in having
our ATI TV cards run on the Linux operating system. At this time, the
developer relations department at ATI does not have any development
information for the TV Tuner available for other OS such as Linux or
OS/2.  Some of the hardware used in the ATI TV Tuner is licensed from
third parties, and it would be illegal for us  to distribute development
information.  Also, the register spec for interfacing with the card is
extremely complicated and also changes frequently but more importantly
it is considered as confidential information.

The developer relations department at ATI is however aware that there is
demand for this and the importance of supporting the growing Linux
community. They are currently looking into the possibility of working
with some strategic Linux developers in providing this support. However,
we have not been given a date of when or if this will take place. If
support is offered, the developer relations group we will announce this
in the appropriate newsgroups.  

If you want to address the ATI developer relations group directly they
can be reached by the following ways.  They can be reached @
905-882-2600 ex.#6000 or @ their email address of devrel@atitech.ca.
Check out our web page at
http://www.atitech.com/resource_centre/dev_rel/index.html for the
developer support section.


> ----------
> From: 	Stian Seeberg[SMTP:stian@nimsoft.no]
> Sent: 	Friday, October 09, 1998 7:15 AM
> To: 	marketing@atitech.ca
> Subject: 	Drivers for the TV tuner under Linux/XFree86
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I was wondering if there were any plans to make driver information
> available to either XFree86 or any third party vendors (under an NDA
> if
> neccessary) so that driver support for the TV tuner used on the ATI
> All-In-Wonder Pro available to those of us who prefer Unix instead of
> WinXX.
> 
> I'm sure you are aware of the great gains in popularity the Linux
> operating system has had both in the mainstream market, and the
> noticable increase in press coverage. I would imagine that your
> company
> is interested in making all the features of your excellent graphics
> adapters available for those users? 
> 
> Any and all information on the subjedt would be greatly appreciated! 
> 
> Best regards,
> Stian Seeberg <stian@nimsoft.no>


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List:       linux-video
Subject:    Re: [video4linux] ATI is at least thinking about us :-/
From:       Martin Pilaski <pilaski () mathi ! uni-heidelberg ! DE>
Date:       1998-10-12 12:19:37

You wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I got this from Marketing at ATI today, and thought I would share
> it with the list. For those of us who were dumb enough to buy an
> ATI card after checking with XFree86 but not checking with you guys
> the news is not great, but at least ATI seem to be looking at the
> possibility of releasing a binary version of a driver if nothing

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I like this sentence, for I have heared  
it for more than half a year now.

> else. Personally I could live with that, even though the solution
> is imperfect...a binary in the hand is better than source on the
> roof, eh? <

Right, but what about non i386 binaries ???

> Anyone who has contacted the developers at ATI have anything to
> add?

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 01:03:20 -0400
> From: Marketing <marketing@atitech.com>
> To: 'Stian Seeberg' <stian@nimsoft.no>
> Subject: RE: Drivers for the TV tuner under Linux/XFree86
>
> It has been brought to our attention that you are interested in
> having our ATI TV cards run on the Linux operating system. At this
> time, the developer relations department at ATI does not have any
> development information for the TV Tuner available for other OS
> such as Linux or OS/2. Some of the hardware used in the ATI TV
> Tuner is licensed from third parties, and it would be illegal for
> us to distribute development information. Also, the register spec

I still do not know what they mean by this. The documentation to  
*every* non-ATI part on their devices is freely available on the  
net.

> for interfacing with the card is extremely complicated and also
> changes frequently but more importantly it is considered as

 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ How do they do that ?!? Change microcode ???  
It's one of the excuses I like most. :-)

> confidential information.

The also used to say, that there is no documentation. But that is  
definatly not true.


> The developer relations department at ATI is however aware that
> there is demand for this and the importance of supporting the
> growing Linux community. They are currently looking into the
> possibility of working with some strategic Linux developers in
                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
They used to think Alan might be the right person to ask. :-)

> providing this support. However, we have not been given a date of
> when or if this will take place. If support is offered, the
> developer relations group we will announce this in the appropriate
> newsgroups.
>
> If you want to address the ATI developer relations group directly
> they can be reached by the following ways.  They can be reached @
> 905-882-2600 ex.#6000 or @ their email address of
> devrel@atitech.ca. Check out our web page at
> <http://www.atitech.com/resource_centre/dev_rel/index.html for the
> developer support section.

As I said before, this is some sort of standard e-mail. I got  
several of those with similar content ( sometimes even with ">"'s  
intdicating this was just pasted in ).

Personaly I am still interested in a free-source solution of this  
probem. But for the ATI video devices are GFX-board based, this  
driver should be part of the Xserver. Some people on the XFree86  
developemnt list seem to be interested. Currrently I am trieing to  
find out weather the ATI docs available to XFree members cover all  
necessary issues.

Anyone who is interested in supporting this development should  
therefor stick to XFree86.

Cheers,

Martin.
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List:       linux-video
Subject:    Re: [video4linux] ATI is at least thinking about us :-/
From:       Alan Cox <alan () cymru ! net>
Date:       1998-10-12 14:43:59

> I got this from Marketing at ATI today, and thought I would share it with
> the list. For those of us who were dumb enough to buy an ATI card after

Seen it before, repeatedly. Its a stock letter that must be a year old
or more
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