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Date: 	Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:38:33 -0500
X-To: Marcelo Tosatti <marc...@conectiva.com.br>
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Subject: Release Policy [was: Linux 2.4.16  ]
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Marcelo,

Thank you for stepping forward to be the maintainer of the 2.4 tree.  This 
is a very valuable and important service for use Linux users.

Also, thank you for releasing 2.4.16.  I have it building on my linux box 
as I write this message :-)

Over the last few days, there have been lots of messages regarding "Kernel 
Release" and "-preX vs. -rcX".  You, as the official maintainer of kernel 
2.4 are the person who actually creates the release policy and makes it happen.

Would you care to share your thoughts on this matter?

David

At 07:30 AM 11/26/01, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Due to the corruption problems on 2.4.15, I'm releasing 2.4.16.

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On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, David Relson wrote:

> Marcelo,
> 
> Thank you for stepping forward to be the maintainer of the 2.4 tree.  This 
> is a very valuable and important service for use Linux users.
> 
> Also, thank you for releasing 2.4.16.  I have it building on my linux box 
> as I write this message :-)
> 
> Over the last few days, there have been lots of messages regarding "Kernel 
> Release" and "-preX vs. -rcX".  You, as the official maintainer of kernel 
> 2.4 are the person who actually creates the release policy and makes it happen.
> 
> Would you care to share your thoughts on this matter?

Sorry for not being able to discuss this issues... Its just that I'm too
busy doing the maintenance and other stuff at Conectiva at the same time
(people are flooding me with patches, btw, please stop for a while).

Daniel Quinlan suggested me to release a "pre-final" release before the
real final one (which would catch most "stupid" bugs), and I think thats a
nice way of solving the problem.

I'll _probably_ do that --- not sure yet, though. 

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From: Chris Meadors <clubn...@hereintown.net>
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On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:

> Sorry for not being able to discuss this issues... Its just that I'm too
> busy doing the maintenance and other stuff at Conectiva at the same time
> (people are flooding me with patches, btw, please stop for a while).
>
> Daniel Quinlan suggested me to release a "pre-final" release before the
> real final one (which would catch most "stupid" bugs), and I think thats a
> nice way of solving the problem.
>
> I'll _probably_ do that --- not sure yet, though.

Aren't all the -pre's pre-finals?  And what if there is a big bug found in
the -final, it will obviously be followed up with a -final-final?

I like the ISC's release methods.  The do -rc's (-pre's would be fine for
the kernel as it is already established), each -rc fixes problems found
with the previous.  When an -rc has been out long enough with no more bug
reports they release that code, WITHOUT changes.

-Chris
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said, "I might be..."                         --David Lynch, Twin Peaks

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On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Chris Meadors wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> 
> > Sorry for not being able to discuss this issues... Its just that I'm too
> > busy doing the maintenance and other stuff at Conectiva at the same time
> > (people are flooding me with patches, btw, please stop for a while).
> >
> > Daniel Quinlan suggested me to release a "pre-final" release before the
> > real final one (which would catch most "stupid" bugs), and I think thats a
> > nice way of solving the problem.
> >
> > I'll _probably_ do that --- not sure yet, though.
> 
> Aren't all the -pre's pre-finals? 

No. Just the -pre-final is a -pre-final. :) 

-pre-final basically means that this is the "candidate" release for the
final.

I could call it "candidate" or whatever (I don't really care about the
name).

> And what if there is a big bug found in the -final, it will obviously
> be followed up with a -final-final?

If people don't like the -pre-final name, I can call it "-candidate" as I
said previously.

> I like the ISC's release methods.  The do -rc's (-pre's would be fine
> for the kernel as it is already established), each -rc fixes problems
> found with the previous.  When an -rc has been out long enough with no
> more bug reports they release that code, WITHOUT changes.

Thats exactly the idea with the "pre-final" thingie. 

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> 
> No. Just the -pre-final is a -pre-final. :) 
> 
> -pre-final basically means that this is the "candidate" release for the
> final.
> 
> I could call it "candidate" or whatever (I don't really care about the
> name).
> 

That's what a release candidate is.  Expect the possibility that you
might have more than one release candidate.

The -rc scheme proposed seems very clean indeed.

Oh, and yes, if you settle on a naming scheme, *please* let me know
ahead of time so I can update the scripts to track it, rather than
finding out by having hundreds of complaints in my mailbox...

	-hpa
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On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:12:50AM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Followup to:  <Pine.LNX.4.21.0111261351160.13786-100...@freak.distro.conectiva>
> By author:    Marcelo Tosatti <marc...@conectiva.com.br>
> In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
> > 
> > No. Just the -pre-final is a -pre-final. :) 
> > 
> > -pre-final basically means that this is the "candidate" release for the
> > final.
> > 
> > I could call it "candidate" or whatever (I don't really care about the
> > name).
> > 
> 
> That's what a release candidate is.  Expect the possibility that you
> might have more than one release candidate.
> 
> The -rc scheme proposed seems very clean indeed.
> 
> Oh, and yes, if you settle on a naming scheme, *please* let me know
> ahead of time so I can update the scripts to track it, rather than
> finding out by having hundreds of complaints in my mailbox...

I for one used the -pre and -pre-final naming for the v2.0.39-series,
and I'll probably use the same naming for the final pre-patch of
v2.0.40, _unless_ there's some sort of agreement on another naming 
scheme. I'd be perfectly content with using the -rc naming for the
final instead. The important thing is not the naming itself, but
consistency between the different kernel-trees.


Regards: David Weinehall
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David Weinehall wrote:

>>
>>Oh, and yes, if you settle on a naming scheme, *please* let me know
>>ahead of time so I can update the scripts to track it, rather than
>>finding out by having hundreds of complaints in my mailbox...
>>
> 
> I for one used the -pre and -pre-final naming for the v2.0.39-series,
> and I'll probably use the same naming for the final pre-patch of
> v2.0.40, _unless_ there's some sort of agreement on another naming 
> scheme. I'd be perfectly content with using the -rc naming for the
> final instead. The important thing is not the naming itself, but
> consistency between the different kernel-trees.
> 


Consistency is a Very Good Thing[TM] (says the one who tries to teach
scripts to understand the naming.)  The advantage with the -rc naming is
that it avoids the -pre5, -pre6, -pre-final, -pre-final-really,
-pre-final-really-i-mean-it-this-time phenomenon when the release
candidate wasn't quite worthy, you just go -rc1, -rc2, -rc3.  There is no
shame in needing more than one release candidate.

	-hpa


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On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, H. Peter Anvin wrote:

> David Weinehall wrote:
> 
> >>
> >>Oh, and yes, if you settle on a naming scheme, *please* let me know
> >>ahead of time so I can update the scripts to track it, rather than
> >>finding out by having hundreds of complaints in my mailbox...
> >>
> > 
> > I for one used the -pre and -pre-final naming for the v2.0.39-series,
> > and I'll probably use the same naming for the final pre-patch of
> > v2.0.40, _unless_ there's some sort of agreement on another naming 
> > scheme. I'd be perfectly content with using the -rc naming for the
> > final instead. The important thing is not the naming itself, but
> > consistency between the different kernel-trees.
> > 
> 
> 
> Consistency is a Very Good Thing[TM] (says the one who tries to teach
> scripts to understand the naming.)  The advantage with the -rc naming is
> that it avoids the -pre5, -pre6, -pre-final, -pre-final-really,
> -pre-final-really-i-mean-it-this-time phenomenon when the release
> candidate wasn't quite worthy, you just go -rc1, -rc2, -rc3.  There is no
> shame in needing more than one release candidate.

Agreed. I stick with the -rc naming convention for 2.4+... 

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Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> 
> (people are flooding me with patches, btw, please stop for a while).
> 

That's funny.  The rest of us haven't seen these patches.

Marcelo, if someone sends you a patch which has not been thoroughly
reviewed on the appropriate mailing list, I would urge you to
peremptorily s***can it.  There is no reason why you alone should
be responsible for reviewing kernel changes.

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On Mon, Nov 26, 2001 at 10:30:08AM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
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> final:
> - Fix 8139too oops				(Philipp Matthias Hahn)

Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?

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Anuradha

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> > final:
> > - Fix 8139too oops				(Philipp Matthias Hahn)
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> Won't that be a good idea to keep the -final the same as the last -pre?

When the patch is totally obvious and there is a need to get a release out -
not really.
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