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SSS Debriefing 
Michael Halcrow 
Fri, 20 Sep 2002 14:11:22 -0700 

We gave out 400 copies of the SSS CD this week. I was able to help out
on Wednesday and Friday, though I'm told that Thursday was our biggest
success (that was NOT a sequitor). We have a total of 580 SSS CD's in
the wild now. Maybe we can have that number closer to 1,000 by the end
of the school year!

If we do math the way Microsoft does math
(http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/basics/ww/), then the breakdown for
each disc is:

Office Suite: $580
Web Browser: $40
Image Manipulation Software: $610
3d Multi-player Video Game: $50
TOTAL: $1,280

$1,280 * 580 = $742,400

So, collectively, we've saved BYU students 3/4 of a million dollars
through our humble efforts. After our next SSS booth, we can claim that
we've saved students OVER A MILLION BUCKS!!! We should print on the
cover of each CD, "The Free Software on this disc can save you $1,280!"

I was talking to my dad last month, and he gave me the idea that we
should offer the BYU bookstore an opportunity to sell the SSS CD's for
whatever their profit margin on Microsoft Office is.

Mike

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SSS in the news (slashdot)... 
Michael Torrie 
Wed, 25 Sep 2002 19:50:57 -0700 

Looks like someone with good karma should post a comment to the slashdot
story tonight telling what the UUG put on their SSS CD Image.  Looks
like the brilliant people that came up with SSS aren't the only ones
thinking about advocacy using similar means.

Michael

Re: SSS in the news (slashdot)... 
Michael Halcrow 
Wed, 25 Sep 2002 20:16:26 -0700 

http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=40728&cid=4333710

Any others?

On Wed, 2002-09-25 at 20:15, Michael Torrie wrote:
> Looks like someone with good karma should post a comment to the slashdot
> story tonight telling what the UUG put on their SSS CD Image.  Looks
> like the brilliant people that came up with SSS aren't the only ones
> thinking about advocacy using similar means.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: SSS in the news (slashdot)... 
Dave Smith 
Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:05:20 -0700 

Somebody needs to write an article documenting what we've been doing with 
our booths, SSS, and install fests. Post that article to the web-site, and 
then we should write our own article for slashdot. It's too late for this 
thread (that Michael mentions below) since it's long deep into the abyss 
of Slashdot commentary.

I'm bummed that we didn't jump on this sooner.

Ideas for the article:

- Mention the 580 SSS CDs we've handed out
- Mention the apps on each CD
- Mention the ISO's home on ftp.cs.byu.edu
- Do NOT mention that we have a LOT of other distros on there as we don't 
want to see millions of downloads of our other ISOs (in fact, maybe we 
should put the SSS iso elsewhere to avoid publicizing our somewhat private 
ftp server).

Anyway, let's get a volunteer to start fleshing out an article, and then 
we can all contribute and post it. I have pics of the booths and install 
fests if anyone wants to use those.

I wonder how old Phantom will stand up to a slashdotting...

--Dave


On Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Michael Torrie wrote:

> Looks like someone with good karma should post a comment to the slashdot
> story tonight telling what the UUG put on their SSS CD Image.  Looks
> like the brilliant people that came up with SSS aren't the only ones
> thinking about advocacy using similar means.
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: SSS in the news (slashdot)... 
Frank Sorenson 
Thu, 26 Sep 2002 08:23:44 -0700 

I read somewhere that on Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Dave Smith said:
> Somebody needs to write an article documenting what we've been doing with 
> our booths, SSS, and install fests. Post that article to the web-site, and 
> then we should write our own article for slashdot. It's too late for this 
> thread (that Michael mentions below) since it's long deep into the abyss 
> of Slashdot commentary.
> 
> I'm bummed that we didn't jump on this sooner.
> 
> Ideas for the article:
> 
> - Mention the 580 SSS CDs we've handed out
> - Mention the apps on each CD
> - Mention the ISO's home on ftp.cs.byu.edu
> - Do NOT mention that we have a LOT of other distros on there as we don't 
> want to see millions of downloads of our other ISOs (in fact, maybe we 
> should put the SSS iso elsewhere to avoid publicizing our somewhat private 
> ftp server).
> 
> Anyway, let's get a volunteer to start fleshing out an article, and then 
> we can all contribute and post it. I have pics of the booths and install 
> fests if anyone wants to use those.
> 
> I wonder how old Phantom will stand up to a slashdotting...
> 
> --Dave

Great.  This is just what I needed.  Now I've got 20 people (my _limit_ is
20) across the entire world downloading stuff like Mozilla and Gimp from
_my_ ftp server.  What's wrong with just posting a list of the software on
our CD?  Everyone knows where to get bzflag, mozilla, and the Gimp, so why
a link to the ISO?

So much for a semi-private mirror of a bunch of stuff.  I've tried pretty 
hard not to draw too much attention.  I'm okay with people associated with 
the University in some way using the ftp site, but this is getting 
ridiculous.  If we get much more traffic, I'll start removing things from 
the ftp server.  I don't want to spend my life maintaining ISOs and 
mirrors for the entire world.

The only things I ever see in the logs are downloads of Mandrake and 
RedHat.  I'm already questioning why I try to keep up with a lot of 
things, such as FreeBSD and YellowDog.  There just aren't enough people 
_in the BYU community_ that use them to justify keeping them up-to-date.  
I don't get paid for this, and I'm not going to provide a fast, complete 
ftp server for the entire internet (or entire slashdot community).

Frank
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Frank Sorenson
CSR Computer Science Department
Brigham Young University
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Re: SSS in the news (slashdot)... 
Michael Halcrow 
Thu, 26 Sep 2002 09:24:16 -0700 

Sorry, Frank. We didn't intend to make your life difficult.

If you would like the ftp server to be just for the BYU community, may I
make a temporary suggestion for the FTP server firewall.

iptables -A INPUT -s 10.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 -j ACCEPT
iptables -A INPUT -s ! 128.187.0.0/255.255.0.0 --protocol tcp
--destination-port ftp -j REJECT

This will have the negative effect of cutting off those who live
off-campus, but it would be better than taking the whole thing off-line
at this point. Maybe we can switch to a private FTP server, and post the
username and password on the mailing list? Sure the username and
password would be "public", but most random Internet users wouldn't go
through the trouble of trying to find it.

Mike

On Thu, 2002-09-26 at 08:48, Frank Sorenson wrote:
> I read somewhere that on Wed, 25 Sep 2002, Dave Smith said:
> > Somebody needs to write an article documenting what we've been doing with 
> > our booths, SSS, and install fests. Post that article to the web-site, and 
> > then we should write our own article for slashdot. It's too late for this 
> > thread (that Michael mentions below) since it's long deep into the abyss 
> > of Slashdot commentary.
> > 
> > I'm bummed that we didn't jump on this sooner.
> > 
> > Ideas for the article:
> > 
> > - Mention the 580 SSS CDs we've handed out
> > - Mention the apps on each CD
> > - Mention the ISO's home on ftp.cs.byu.edu
> > - Do NOT mention that we have a LOT of other distros on there as we don't 
> > want to see millions of downloads of our other ISOs (in fact, maybe we 
> > should put the SSS iso elsewhere to avoid publicizing our somewhat private 
> > ftp server).
> > 
> > Anyway, let's get a volunteer to start fleshing out an article, and then 
> > we can all contribute and post it. I have pics of the booths and install 
> > fests if anyone wants to use those.
> > 
> > I wonder how old Phantom will stand up to a slashdotting...
> > 
> > --Dave
> 
> Great.  This is just what I needed.  Now I've got 20 people (my _limit_ is
> 20) across the entire world downloading stuff like Mozilla and Gimp from
> _my_ ftp server.  What's wrong with just posting a list of the software on
> our CD?  Everyone knows where to get bzflag, mozilla, and the Gimp, so why
> a link to the ISO?
> 
> So much for a semi-private mirror of a bunch of stuff.  I've tried pretty 
> hard not to draw too much attention.  I'm okay with people associated with 
> the University in some way using the ftp site, but this is getting 
> ridiculous.  If we get much more traffic, I'll start removing things from 
> the ftp server.  I don't want to spend my life maintaining ISOs and 
> mirrors for the entire world.
> 
> The only things I ever see in the logs are downloads of Mandrake and 
> RedHat.  I'm already questioning why I try to keep up with a lot of 
> things, such as FreeBSD and YellowDog.  There just aren't enough people 
> _in the BYU community_ that use them to justify keeping them up-to-date.  
> I don't get paid for this, and I'm not going to provide a fast, complete 
> ftp server for the entire internet (or entire slashdot community).
> 
> Frank
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Frank Sorenson
> CSR Computer Science Department
> Brigham Young University
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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