Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!news3.google.com! border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de! t-online.de!213.92.8.5.MISMATCH!vlad-tepes.bofh.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it! robomod From: James Bottomley <James.Bottom...@SteelEye.com> Newsgroups: linux.kernel Subject: Results of an informal GPLv3 poll amongst kernel contributors Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 17:50:08 +0200 Message-ID: <6XVrV-5zj-5@gated-at.bofh.it> X-Original-To: linux-kernel <linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org> Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 (2.2.3-4.fc4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: robo...@news.nic.it X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Approved: robo...@news.nic.it Lines: 79 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway X-Original-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:44:41 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <1158939881.3445.16.camel@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> X-Original-Sender: linux-kernel-ow...@vger.kernel.org These are basically just the votes and who voted. There's also a nice graphical tally but I'll attach that by replying to this message so it doesn't get eaten by people's "no mime at all" spam filters. James ------------------------------------- Vote key: I wouldn't want to use v3 (I really dislike it, or my company would have serious problems allowing me -3 to participate using the v3 draft) -2 I think v3 is much worse than v2 -1 I think v2 is better, but I don't care that deeply 0 I don't really care at all 1 I think v3 is better, but I don't care that deeply 2 I think v3 is much better than v2 I wouldn't want to use v2 (I really dislike it, or my company would have serious problems allowing me 3 to participate using the GPLv2) These votes are opinions of the persons listed in their capacities as kernel maintainers only. In no regard should any opinion expressed herein be construed to represent the views of any entities employing or being associated with any of the authors. Name Vote ==== ==== Linus Torvalds -2.5 Alan Cox -2.0 James Bottomley -3.0 Ingo Molnar -1.0 Tony Luck -2.0 Neil Brown -1.0 Al Viro -2.0 Jeff Garzik -2.0 Mauro Carvalho Chehab -2.0 Arjan van de Ven -3.0 David Woodhouse -2.0 Greg Kroah Hartman -3.0 Ralf Baechle -1.5 Stephen Hemminger -2.0 Andrew Morton -3.0 Dmitry Torokhov -2.0 Tejun Heo -2.0 Thomas Gleixner -3.0 Takashi Iwai -2.0 Trond Myklebust -2.5 Roland Dreier -2.0 Dave Jones -2.0 Russell King -2.0 John W. Linville -2.0 Andi Kleen -2.0 Patrick McHardy -1.0 David S. Miller 0.0 Christoph Hellwig -2.0 Paul Mackerras -1.0 Total Votes Cast 29 Average Vote -2.0 +/- 0.7 Lowest Vote -3.0 Highest Vote 0.0 Median Vote -2.0 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!news2.volia.net! newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!nntp.infostrada.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it! |robomod From: Jan Engelhardt <jeng...@linux01.gwdg.de> Newsgroups: linux.kernel Subject: Re: Results of an informal GPLv3 poll amongst kernel contributors Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:20:09 +0200 Message-ID: <6XVUZ-6Tc-7@gated-at.bofh.it> References: <6XVrV-5zj-5@gated-at.bofh.it> X-Original-To: James Bottomley <James.Bottom...@SteelEye.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Report: Content analysis: 0.0 points, 6.0 required _SUMMARY_ X-Virus-Scanned: (clean) by exiscan+sophie Sender: robo...@news.nic.it X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Approved: robo...@news.nic.it Lines: 18 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway X-Original-Cc: linux-kernel <linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org> X-Original-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 18:19:03 +0200 (MEST) X-Original-Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609221817430.12304@yvahk01.tjqt.qr> X-Original-References: <1158939881.3445.16.ca...@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> X-Original-Sender: linux-kernel-ow...@vger.kernel.org > >These are basically just the votes and who voted. There's also a nice >graphical tally but I'll attach that by replying to this message so it >doesn't get eaten by people's "no mime at all" spam filters. > >Average Vote -2.0 +/- 0.7 No surprise here :) Jan Engelhardt -- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com! border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!out02a.usenetserver.com! news.usenetserver.com!in01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com! news.mailgate.org!erode.bofh.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod From: Linus Torvalds <torva...@osdl.org> Newsgroups: linux.kernel Subject: Re: Results of an informal GPLv3 poll amongst kernel contributors Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 19:50:13 +0200 Message-ID: <6XXk9-1L1-9@gated-at.bofh.it> References: <6XVrV-5zj-5@gated-at.bofh.it> <6XVUZ-6Tc-7@gated-at.bofh.it> X-Original-To: Jan Engelhardt <jeng...@linux01.gwdg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mimedefang-Filter: osdl$Revision: 1.152 $ X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.36 Sender: robo...@news.nic.it X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Approved: robo...@news.nic.it Lines: 48 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway X-Original-Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottom...@SteelEye.com>, linux-kernel <linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org> X-Original-Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:39:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0609221029390.4388@g5.osdl.org> X-Original-References: <1158939881.3445.16.ca...@mulgrave.il.steeleye.com> <Pine.LNX.4.61.0609221817430.12...@yvahk01.tjqt.qr> X-Original-Sender: linux-kernel-ow...@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > > > > >These are basically just the votes and who voted. There's also a nice > >graphical tally but I'll attach that by replying to this message so it > >doesn't get eaten by people's "no mime at all" spam filters. > > > >Average Vote -2.0 +/- 0.7 > > No surprise here :) Well, I actually think there were some surprises to some people. The people involved with the vote were basically selected to be the most active kernel developers (by just doing some trivial statistics over the last 18 months and just picking the top ~30 people). I added Alan Cox to the list, just because, but basically it's otherwise a totally unbiased selection. And trust me when I say that we're an argumentative lot. Some people consider the kernel mailing list to be somewhat argumentative at times, but I think people are even more open in their opinions when they're allowed to vent freely. And we certainly had some "heated discussion" over a number of details, but as you can see from the actual votes, I think the conclusion people had come to (regardless of their opinions on some issues) were more uniform than you might have expected. I think a number of outsiders also believed that I personally was just the odd man out, because I've been so publicly not a huge fan of the GPLv3. So I think some people who see the results - especially people who haven't been active in kernel development themselves - might be surprised to see that I wasn't even an outlier in the kernel group. So I suspect your lack of surprise is because you've been on the kernel mailing list for too long, and already know the personalities of the people involved. Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!news4.google.com! border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de! t-online.de!213.92.8.5.MISMATCH!vlad-tepes.bofh.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it! robomod From: tri...@samba.org Newsgroups: linux.kernel Subject: Re: Results of an informal GPLv3 poll amongst kernel contributors Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:30:08 +0200 Message-ID: <6YT4I-7xY-5@gated-at.bofh.it> X-Original-To: linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.4.1 Reply-To: tri...@samba.org Sender: robo...@news.nic.it X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Approved: robo...@news.nic.it Lines: 17 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway X-Original-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 17:22:48 +1000 X-Original-Message-ID: <17687.33736.65658.258073@samba.org> X-Original-Sender: linux-kernel-ow...@vger.kernel.org James, Could you give some indication of how many of the people in this poll have actually read the GPLv3 draft? Were they asked that? In a moment of weakness one of the people listed in the poll mentioned to me that he hadn't actually read the draft. While I'm sure that isn't representative of the level of detailed license analysis that has been done, it does make me suspect of any conclusions from these poll results :-) Cheers, Tridge - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
From: Russell King <rmk+l...@arm.linux.org.uk> Newsgroups: linux.kernel Subject: Re: Results of an informal GPLv3 poll amongst kernel contributors Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 10:30:08 +0200 Message-ID: <6YU0M-X5-9@gated-at.bofh.it> References: <6YT4I-7xY-5@gated-at.bofh.it> X-Original-To: tri...@samba.org Mail-Followup-To: tri...@samba.org, Linux Kernel List <linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Sender: robo...@news.nic.it X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Approved: robo...@news.nic.it Lines: 35 Organization: linux.* mail to news gateway X-Original-Cc: Linux Kernel List <linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org> X-Original-Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 09:22:53 +0100 X-Original-Message-ID: <20060925082253.GA25449@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> X-Original-References: <17687.33736.65658.258...@samba.org> X-Original-Sender: linux-kernel-ow...@vger.kernel.org Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com!x-privat.org! vlad-tepes.bofh.it!bofh.it!news.nic.it!robomod On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 05:22:48PM +1000, tri...@samba.org wrote: > Could you give some indication of how many of the people in this poll > have actually read the GPLv3 draft? Were they asked that? It would be rather crass to give a position on something you haven't read, especially if the results are to be published. > In a moment of weakness one of the people listed in the poll mentioned > to me that he hadn't actually read the draft. That is rather disappointing to hear. If the point of the poll was to collect people's whims instead of informed judgements (which is what it becomes if people didn't read the draft) then the result is meaningless and would be laughed at. I can only hope that everyone else did as I did and refused to give a response _until_ they had read the draft and thought about it. I also hope that whoever it was is now hiding in a corner feeling very sorry for themselves for having let the rest of us down. I think anyone who did respond to the poll but who hadn't read the draft should have their vote struck off and the results re-published. Very disappointed. -- Russell King Linux kernel 2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ maintainer of: 2.6 Serial core - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/