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From: heil...@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (david.j.heiland)
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Subject: Re: Is anyone at IBM listening?
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Date: 1 May 92 17:23:32 GMT
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I've been hoping that IBM has juwst been waiting (for what I don't know),
but I think now that the Marketing folk really don't have a clue - its
very hard to suggest OS/2 2.0 to others when they don't even see it. I
LOOK for OS/2 marketing, and all I've seen are the boring "cemetary" ads
(and I had to look twice - where's a multi page spread with a giant OS/2
by itself on the first page - even Wordperfect's ads are better OS/2 ads).
I've seen the addresses pass by before, but this post has finally made me
sit down and write letters to those at IBM. I hope they listen fast, and
I hope others write too - just do it, now. Save OS/2, write an IBMer.
I've gotten two 3.1 mailings from MS this week, Egghead will order OS/2 from
their warehouse for $150 if you know enough to ask, Windows advertising
is everywhere, lists of Windows courses show up in the New York Times every
week, I haven't seen a single billboard with an OS/2 ad, no one from IBM is
seeking out developers, loaning out machines with OS/2, telling me what
will be coming after 2.0. Maybe OS/2 won't be polished until the first
CSD, but I wish they would market NOW. With OS/2, XGA, direct selling
of PS/2's (just who buys from dealers these days?), I thought IBM was
changing. Maybe not fast enough.
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From: mg@elan (Michael Golan)
Subject: Re: Is anyone at IBM listening?
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heil...@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (david.j.heiland) writes:
>Save OS/2, write an IBMer.
This kind'a say it all folks. I have ordered OS/2 but I get the impression
that it will, indeed, be a dead product. I guess 'new IBM' == /dev/null ...
R E S T I N P E A C E
O S / 2
I B M
Michael Golan
m...@princeton.edu
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From: s...@ellis.uchicago.edu (Timothy F. Sipples)
Subject: Re: Is anyone at IBM listening?
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In article <mg.704932902@elan> mg@elan (Michael Golan) writes:
>heil...@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (david.j.heiland) writes:
>>Save OS/2, write an IBMer.
>This kind'a say it all folks. I have ordered OS/2 but I get the impression
>that it will, indeed, be a dead product. I guess 'new IBM' == /dev/null ...
>R E S T I N P E A C E
> O S / 2
> I B M
> Michael Golan
> m...@princeton.edu
What prompts this epitaph?
--
Timothy F. Sipples Keeper of the OS/2 Frequently Asked Questions
s...@ellis.uchicago.edu List, available via anonymous ftp from
Dept. of Economics 128.123.35.151, directory pub/os2/faq, or via
Univ. of Chicago 60637 netmail from LISTS...@BLEKUL11.BITNET.
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From: b...@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: Re: Is anyone at IBM listening?
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Everyone / Anyone:
Last Friday, I posted a piece of mail I got from a friend at IBM. This mail
discussed his frustration and another IBM employee's frustration with OS/2
marketing and advertising. Since that time, there have been many postings
within IBM bringing my friend to tears. Several IBM employees, I know, sent
me mail concerning this issue both pro and con.
- I would like to apologize for causing Steve problems within IBM. Steve asked
me to "Ask people to let this subject lie/die." I am deeply sorry for
causing them (my friend and Steve) problems with their fellow IBM
employees. If I had had any idea the reposting of his hot article would
cause him problem, I would have withheld reposting it.
- While I could provide my reasons for reposting, I won't. My policy is
to honor requests of keeping things private when requested.
I am amending this policy to include pinging back senders of "hot"
information when no request to keep private exists.
Let me add one item. Universally, the non-IBM employee' mail, to me, agrees
with Steve. They respect him for wording well what many of us have
been saying in dozens of notes over the last month. Nothing Steve said is
new and everyone knows it. Steve did what I did last year, when I combined
everyone's input into the letter to John Akers and the first two Watching OS/2
columns.
Steve and I are asking everyone to let the subject of:
(a) Releasing the information lie and die
(b) Needing aggressive OS/2 Marketing and Advertising to continue
Bert Moshier