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 >Why, OH WHY, would anyone in their right (or even left) mind want to
 >emulate an XT???????  Seriously, if the Amiga etc are so  darned good,
 >why do they need to emulate anything else?  Answer -- because they
 >haven't got beans to run in their native mode!! so they've gotta get
 >software from somewhere and  ... so they must emulate (in Aus, that's a
 >tardy, flightless bird <G>) others.

 There is a simple answer why developers etc bother creating emulators for 
 the Amiga to run, and that is "Just because it Can!"
 Stick to your alternative machine and be happy...

 >Anyone for an Apple II emulator to run on the Pentium? (Strictly tongue
 >in cheek, that last)

 hohohoho... I can't see why I'd want to have an emulator for another machine, 
 but of course some people do and I guess it broadens the CPU's
 format horizon so to speak...

L8'er

 P.S. For the A4000 etc setup I'm buying in a few weeks I could purchase
       3 486's etc... But I have no need for IBM particulars... If you
      doubt the 3 part the A4000 with Megs and Opal Paint is costing
       around $15,000 And IBM User's moan about there prices... Sheesh!!

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Subject: Amiga, Amiga, AMIGA!!!e
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DA->  P.S. For the A4000 etc setup I'm buying in a few weeks I could purchas 
DA->        3 486's etc... But I have no need for IBM particulars... If you 
DA->       doubt the 3 part the A4000 with Megs and Opal Paint is costing 
DA->        around $15,000 And IBM User's moan about there prices... Sheesh!

Just curious... I had an Amiga for 6 years before I went to IBM and want 
to say that if you like the OS in the Amiga (I loved it, very elegant) 
and want to see something similiar on the IBM to check out OS/2.  In 
many ways it is quite similiar. (But also different at the same time.)

Drew

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Subject: Re: Amiga, Amiga, AMIGA!!!e
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Date: Mon, 24 May 93 20:11:20 PDT
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> P.S. Why all the interest, do you own an Amiga? What is your system setup?

I'm a Jr. High (7-9) computer teacher at St. Edmund School here in Edmonton.
When the A1000 just came out, I bought one to apply to my part-time 
video-production business (mostly weddings).

At the time, I was also teaching a few classes of computing - mostly typing and 
Basic Basic on Apple II E's at school.

I convinced, the principal at the time to purchase a couple of Amiga computers 
to enhance the computer program.  Since then, we've expanded to 16 Amigas in our 
lab.

We have site licences for DeluxePaint, Advantage (spreadsheet), PageSetter.  I 
teach the above to the students.  We culminate each year in a video production 
of the animations done by the students.

My personal interest in Opal Vision and/or the Toaster is to apply it to my 
curriculum if I can get the Administrators to spring for the  $$$$.  My video 
production business hasn't been a great success lately but I guess if I had to, 
I'd probably by one of these systems for my own use (upgrade to a 4000 too).  
The problem is $$$.  I can afford it on my own but it wouldn't be too cost 
effective with the amount of business I'm getting.

I also have an A2000 with Megachip 2000 (have brush problems with it) and a 
Vidtech Genlock.


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Leo,

Sorry to butt in here, but I was very interested in your message regarding 
the Amiga.  I live in Alcomdale ... just outside of Morinville.  I too run 
a small audio/video production company.  I mostly do audio stuff since that 
is my forte' (sp.)  I used to work at K-lite and more recently MG 1200 ... 
so you can see why I stick to audio.  But ... I wanted to move into video 
production.  Right now I use a 386/40 with a Cardinal SnapPlus card.  Can 
you tell me more about the Amiga and the benefits it has for video/animation/3D 
stuff.  

My father-in-law (also a teacher) has a 3000 with a Toaster in it, but I found 
the 3D part very annoying.  In order to do any animation you have to have a 
frame accurate VCR that is controlled by the Toaster.  With my IBM I can do 
it all off of the hard drive.  

I am currently working on my Ph.D. and my wife teaches in the Sturgeon School 
System.  I would really like more info on the Amiga and what part it plays in 
the school ... etc.

Thanks ... and I can't wait to hear from you!

See ya,

Gary Connolly


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In school (jr. high), the students learn to use spreadsheets, desktop 
publishing, wordprocessing, 2D graphics and 2D animation (Deluxe Paint 
III).

We have a Panasonic AG 1970 editing suite for compiling our yearly 
graphics productions - a mix of animations and music.

Our machines are - 15 A500 with floppies (really slow) and one A2000 HD 
with a genlock.

From everything I've read and seen, the Amiga is the way to go for NTSC 
work - it was built for it.  Many productions including "Babylon V have 
been produced on the Amiga Platform.

The Amiga seems to be the platform of choice among Video professionals.

I would look to the new Amiga 4000 for 3D work.  I would suspect it has 
what you're looking for.  The best source of information might be a 
computer retailer such as A+ computers.  Helen Gagne is the Toaster 
Expert there.  Chris could also probably help you out.

An even better source might be the AMICUE (the Amiga Users group in 
Edmonton).  They meet once every month or so at the U of A.

You might also write or phone to Commodore yourself.


At the present time I do only 2D graphics as I only have an A2000 myself 
with a Vidtech Genlock.

I would hope to get into 3D graphics on the Amiga and even teach it.  
Funding is a problem.

I may buy an A4000 on my own and equip it with a toaster or OpalVision 
if I feel "crazy" enough this fall.

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Unfortunately, the Amiga will not become an "approved" platform.  It seems 
that the IBM is and will continue to be the most popular platform.  Edmonton 
Catholic schools does not consider the Amiga as an approved platform.

It's unfortunate but that is the way it is.  The students and I enjoy producing 
animations and graphics on the Amiga but we are at a point where the A500's we 
have are just too slow to do the work the students are capable of.

By grade 9, I can see that students are ready to learn 3D graphics but that 
requires hard drives and a faster Amiga and that requires $$$.

Good luck with your Amiga!

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f
Thanx for the suggestions.  I think I can get the school to spring for an A4000 
and a few A1200's.  We're poor but we've participated in a casino-fundraiser so 
I do expect "some" funding.

On the personal side, I think I'll wait for the A4000 Tower before upgrading 
myself.

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In a message dated 26 May 93  15:01:56, Gary Connolly wrote:

 GC> use a 386/40 with a Cardinal SnapPlus card.  Can you tell me more
 GC> about the Amiga and the benefits it has for video/animation/3D stuff.

Well, I'll butt in here too. :)

     I have had an Amiga 500 since 1987. Another school in our county has an
 Amiga 2000 and Toaster system. As far as benefits go, I would list the following:

o    Custom graphic chips allow for faster screen updates and animation frame
     rate.

o    There is more Video related software for the Amiga than any other
     platform

o    There is also a ton of Amiga Video hardware available...Opalvision is 
     another hot product right now.

o    Interlace is built in- meaning you don't have to pay a *lot* extra for
     NTSC compatibility.

     I also use MACs at school, and I own a 386/33mhz PC with windows. The Amiga 
by far has the most efficient multitasking, since it was built in to the hardware.

     You also mentioned audio, and while the Amiga doesn't have a lot of Audio 
hardware, it is of high quality. I teach music, and mainly use mine for MIDI. There 
are nice 12 and 16 bit audio boards available, that record directly to hard disk 
and offer SMPTE capability. There is also a board called One Stop Music Shop which 
is based on the Proteus 1 sampling engine. It comes with 128 presets that can be 
modified. I also use a sequencer called Bars & Pipes Pro, and I think it is one of 
the best available on any platform- it has a module that will allow it to integrate 
with various Amiga Video products (including the Toaster) to sync Midi.


 GC> My father-in-law (also a teacher) has a 3000 with a Toaster in it,
 GC> but I found the 3D part very annoying.  In order to do any animation
 GC> you have to have a frame accurate VCR that is controlled by the
 GC> Toaster.  With my IBM I can do it all off of the hard drive.  

Lightwave 3D for the Toaster has gotten rave reviews in every magazine that I've 
seen it referred to. My friend with the Toaster uses a PD program that converts 
Lightwave frames to HAM format (4,096 colors) and runs his animations from that 
in real time. They look pretty good. His school is planning to buy a frame accurate 
VCR, simply because they like what they see. My friend did not like Lightwave at 
first, but now that he's figured out how it works he's gone crazy with it.

  GC> Sturgeon School System.  I would really like more info on the Amiga
 GC> and what part it plays in the school ... etc.

     At my friend's school they use the Toaster to produce a monthly newsmagazine, 
as well as for selling video's of special events like prom, graduation, etc. His 
students are now able to edit tapes themselves, and can use the character generator 
and switcher; and chroma/wipe effects for transitions. Hope this helps somewhat.

Later,

John


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JR>      I also use MACs at school, and I own a 386/33mhz PC with windows. T 
JR> Amiga by far has the most efficient multitasking, since it was built in  
JR> the hardware.

If you try OS/2 on the IBM you will probably like it more than
Windows.  I had an A1000, then an A2000 (for 6 years) and was big into 
MIDI as well.   I was using KCS however, but otherwise the efficient 
multitasking probably you are refering to is the ability to
dynamically assign processing time in a preemptive manner, which
AmigaDOS does and so does OS/2.

This makes the system much more efficient and responsive since
processes are prioritized or dynamically scheduled.

The reason I traded my Amiga for an IBM clone was for the software... 
(Boy I DO miss the composite output for easy recording of great
animation!)

Do you use any rendering software?  I was into the old Sculpt 4D...  
but I have seen much more stuff out now like Lightwave 3D as you
mentioned...

Drew



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