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From: Stephen...@f155.n633.z3.fidonet.org (Stephen Missen)
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Subject: Operating Systems
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Yeah! Operating systems you say.  I need some info on a few of them for 
a assignment (YR 11) My problem is that I choose this statement to debate.
"DOS is the most viable Operating System for a IBM computer"
So I need info on anything from UNIX to OS/2.  Is PICK still used much!  
I know this probably isn't the right Board to be looking on but I gota 
start somewhere.  Maby you reckon I've biten off more than I can chew but 
this sort of stuff is intresting (to me)  Already read one book on UNIX 
so if you got any help or coments on other OS (operating systems) your 
particularly welcome.  What exactly do I want to know?  

What's OS equivilant to the dos prompt like?
Does it have any standard user interfaces (Windows for instance)? Who 
uses it mainly?
Would it be suitable for a normal IBM (say 386-sx or dx)?
Are their lots of software packages written for it?
Does it support Progs. written for other Operating Systems? 
ect.

Thanks


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Subject: Operating Systems
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SM-> Yeah! Operating systems you say.  I need some info on a few of them for 
SM-> assignment (YR 11) My problem is that I choose this statement to debate 
SM-> "DOS is the most viable Operating System for a IBM computer"

Uh oh.  Maybe your defense could be the "most used."  DOS is the one 
most programs are written for, but it is not the best OS.  It is a 
singletasking, singleuser operating system with a segmented memory 
model. The shell (DOS prompt) is very basic and allows
redirection/piping (taking the output of one program and
redirecting/piping it into another).

SM-> So I need info on anything from UNIX to OS/2.  Is PICK still used much! 
SM-> know this probably isn't the right Board to be looking on but I gota st 
SM-> somewhere.  Maby you reckon I've biten off more than I can chew but thi 
SM-> sort of stuff is intresting (to me)  Already read one book on UNIX so i 
SM-> you got any help or coments on other OS (operating systems) your 
SM-> particularly welcome.  What exactly do I want to know?

The purpose of an operating system is to provide a common source of 
resources to a program whether it be memory, time for computation or 
storage.  A networking (multiuser), multitasking operating system allows 
the sharing of these resources at a much higher level than in a
singletasking OS.

UNIX is almost more of a very well thought out concept than a single 
complete operating system. Granted it does exist in that form, but it 
does so in many versions. Packed in with the OS are a plethora of tools 
and utilities, and a compiler or two. Unix was made to be multiuser, 
multitasking OS which could run on almost any hardware and be very 
portable. Portability is important when running Unix because of the 
various hardware it is run on.  However, to the inexperienced Unix user, 
the power of the OS tends to fall short of its capabilities.  It's dos 
prompt is "shell," a number of which exist (such as Bourne shell).

Any GUI (graphical user interface) environment in Unix is usually done 
through X-Windows, developed at MIT if I remember correctly.  Through 
this interfaces such as Open Look and Motif have been developed to ease 
use.

Unix is a vast operating system and cannot really be compared to
Disk Operating System...  It is not [well yet anyway] for your "average 
user."

Today, SCO Unix for Intel machines is a complete 32 bit implementation, 
which gives it access to a flat memory model instead of a segmented one. 
This lets programs run faster due to less overhead of translation.

DOS, is a 16 bit OS, that is only surviving because of it's inherent 
simplicity in operation and its platform base.  Windows, is currently 
not an operating system.  What it does is cooperative multitasking over 
a singletasking operating system.  It is still running on top of DOS, 
which has a segmented memory architecture and is singletasking in 
design. What you get in effect is a half the multitasking capabilities 
you really can with the hardware it is run.

However, Windows NT which is not yet released is supposed to address 
these problems.

OS/2, which I am using right now, is like having 90% of the power of 
Unix to access your machine while being quite easy to use.  It doesn't 
have the arcane syntax of most Unix commands (like grep for example) 
while being compatible with DOS and Windows programs.  It is a
multitasking, multithreaded operating system which means that multiple 
programs can run concurrently with *different priority levels* and also 
start their own processes (threads).  Also its method of multitasking 
has been called preemptive, which means that the OS can preempt control 
of an application. The GUI of OS/2 is called Presentation Manager. 
To put it crudely, the graphical shell in OS/2 is object-oriented, a bit 
similiar to a Macintosh but with direct compatibility with "IBM
compatible" stuff.  Although OS/2 is multitasking, it is currently 
primarily singleuser.

There is more stuff out there... OSs like VMS which mainly run on 
mainframes and more...

SM-> What's OS equivilant to the dos prompt like?

SM-> Does it have any standard user interfaces (Windows for instance)? Who u 
SM-> it mainly?

A user interface is also a "shell."  The DOS prompt in dos is a shell; 
Windows 3.1 is a shell; the Workplace Shell in OS/2 is as well... 
The purpose of a shell or user interface is to provide a viable means 
to harness the capabilities of the hardware.  It usually hides the dirty 
work of the OS.

SM-> Would it be suitable for a normal IBM (say 386-sx or dx)?
SM-> Are their lots of software packages written for it?
SM-> Does it support Progs. written for other Operating Systems?
SM-> ect.
Portability is a good example here.  Unix is an operating system
designed to be portable and run the same program source to run on 
machines ranging from Intel 386sx to Crays [recompiled].

I hope this sounded somewhat coherent. <grin>

Drew

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Subject: Re: Operating Systems
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Hi Drew!

Long time no type to.  That was an amazing survey of operating
systems -- impressive and informative-- I didn't know all those
differences in memory managenment between OS/2 Unix and MS-Dos.  

Just wanted to mention DR-Dos.  I know it's only a clone for
MS-DOS but apparently it's gotten a reasonable percetage of the
marketshare even from those who got MS-Dos with their machines. 

Since I see you are very knowledgable about operating systems I
was wondering what you thought of DR-Dos as compared with MS-DOS.
I'm thinking of version 6 (I heard ealier versions had
compatibility problems).

--Fran






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Subject: Operating Systems
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FO-> Hi Drew!

Hi Fran!

FO-> Long time no type to.  That was an amazing survey of operating

I haven't typed to you in a while--it's a pleasure to again.

FO-> Just wanted to mention DR-Dos.  I know it's only a clone for 
FO-> MS-DOS but apparently it's gotten a reasonable percetage of the 
FO-> marketshare even from those who got MS-Dos with their machines.

Well, now that MS-Dos 6 is out, and contains similiar utilities people 
have been inquiring about "upgrading" from Dr-Dos.  Microsoft is always 
up to tricks--on the box it says you can "upgrade" from OS/2??!!?
--well whatever that means!!

In fact, there was a "saying" from Microsoft that went along the lines 
of "MS-Dos isn't done until Dr-Dos doesn't run..." or something like 
that--I've forgotten exactly how it went.  As long as you get a copy 
dated after April '92 then you should be fine.

However, you should know that Digital Research has been acquired by 
Novell and Dr-Dos is eventually going to become Novell Dos which will 
incorporate built in networking (uh, not that it is multiuser from my 
previous analogy ;-* but that you won't need the old net booting "disk" 
or sequence, the OS will automatically recognize it a la Macintosh).

Honestly after that I do not know much about the software itself; I've 
never used it!

IBM will be coming out with their own Dos 6.  The base OS will be the 
same as Microsoft's (IBM has access to MS source code until around the 
end of this year), but it will be bundled with comparable utilities to 
MS-Dos.  IBM is optimizing some code to have some operations perform 17% 
faster than MS's.  It should be out in the summer.

PS  I predict OS/2 2.1 will be a controversial release.

I leave you with that. 8*)

Drew

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Subject: Who are you! <grin>
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Hi Drew, just a quick one.  About 2 months ago you sent me a reply with some
info. on operating systems, which I needed for a school assignment. Well I've
finished the assignment, and I have quoted you once in it (hope you don't
mind!).  What I need to know is a title for you, that I can use where I've
quoted.

Thanks Drew.


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SM> Hi Drew, just a quick one.  About 2 months ago you sent me a reply with  
SM> info. on operating systems, which I needed for a school assignment. Well 
SM> I've
SM> finished the assignment, and I have quoted you once in it (hope you don' 
SM> mind!).  What I need to know is a title for you, that I can use where I' 
SM> quoted.

Well Steve, I don't mind at all.  Well, if it makes a difference, my 
actual name is Andrew (short Drew), and the fall of this year I will be 
a student of Computer Engineering.  When I gave you the information I 
was just a plain student <grin>.

Glad to be of some help,
Drew

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SM>> Hi Drew, just a quick one.  About 2 months ago you sent me a reply with  
SM>> info. on operating systems, which I needed for a school assignment. Well 
SM>> I've
SM>> finished the assignment, and I have quoted you once in it (hope you don' 
SM>> mind!).  What I need to know is a title for you, that I can use where I' 
SM>> quoted.
     
 DV> Well Steve, I don't mind at all.  Well, if it makes a difference, 
 DV> my actual name is Andrew (short Drew), and the fall of this year I 
 DV> will be a student of Computer Engineering.  When I gave you the 
 DV> information I was just a plain student <grin>.

Actually you had a responsibility of managing a LAN at school or
something like that so you had a title involving that-- I think
that might be what he needs. 
     
--Fran
     


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FO>  DV> Well Steve, I don't mind at all.  Well, if it makes a difference, 
FO>  DV> my actual name is Andrew (short Drew), and the fall of this year I 
FO>  DV> will be a student of Computer Engineering.  When I gave you the 
FO>  DV> information I was just a plain student <grin>.
FO> 
FO> Actually you had a responsibility of managing a LAN at school or 
FO> something like that so you had a title involving that-- I think 
FO> that might be what he needs.

Steve, if you want you might rather opt to use System Administrator 
for a title as Fran suggests.

Drew

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