From: ca...@oversteer.library.uwa.edu.au (Carl Brewer)
Subject: Re: Suburbia.Net (Melbourne, Australia) non-profit ISP with a clue!
Date: 1995/12/05
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In article <4a0ih8$1...@core.apana.org.au>, <help...@suburbia.net> wrote:
[400-odd lines of advertising deleted]
> Suburbia has over 1000 users, 10 dial-up modem lines,
that's a user/modem ratio of worse than 100/1
I guess you'd expect that from an organisation that spams all
these newsgroups with a 400+ line advert ...
Very impressed gentlemen ... very impressed ... followups set
appropriatly. I thought APANA people had "a clue" ....
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From: Mark Dorset <ma...@world.net>
Subject: Re: Suburbia.Net (Melbourne, Australia) non-profit ISP with a clue!
Date: 1995/12/05
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ca...@oversteer.library.uwa.edu.au (Carl Brewer) wrote:
>> Suburbia has over 1000 users, 10 dial-up modem lines,
>
>that's a user/modem ratio of worse than 100/1
You must be somewhat blind. Suburbia is a NON-PROFIT isp which is
run totally by volunteers who receive nothing for their efforts
(other than the fulfilling satisfaction of trying to help under-
priviliged people have Internet access too). The hardware used
is paid for by the users of the system plus any spare cash the
people who run it can throw in to help.
>Very impressed gentlemen ... very impressed ... followups set
>appropriatly. I thought APANA people had "a clue" ....
Some do, some don't. Suburbia definately does.
You wouldn't happen to be the same Carl Brewer that was once quite
unpopular at Melbourne University for being closed-minded? Maybe it's
just a coincidence that there are two of you with the same poor
attitude.
Best regards,
Mark Dorset
From: pr...@suburbia.net (Julian Assange)
Subject: Re: Suburbia.Net (Melbourne, Australia) non-profit ISP with a clue!
Date: 1995/12/06
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Carl Brewer (ca...@oversteer.library.uwa.edu.au) wrote:
: In article <4a0ih8$1...@core.apana.org.au>, <help...@suburbia.net> wrote:
: [400-odd lines of advertising deleted]
: > Suburbia has over 1000 users, 10 dial-up modem lines,
: that's a user/modem ratio of worse than 100/1
Only 200 or so of those users have paid accounts, the other get
4 hours per month at the most. We have many telnet / x25 users
(approximately 1/3rd) from Australia and overseas. So our user : dialin
ratio is quite acceptable.
: I guess you'd expect that from an organisation that spams all
: these newsgroups with a 400+ line advert ...
Its not spam. Its a cross post. Further, its *way* under the 20 news group
limit for cross-posting. All the groups selected are wholely appropriate vs the
content. At least get your facts straight before annoy people.
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From: matt...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU (Matthias Markus LANG)
Subject: Re: Suburbia.Net (Melbourne, Australia) non-profit ISP with a clue!
Date: 1995/12/07
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Mark Dorset <ma...@world.net> writes:
>You must be somewhat blind. Suburbia is a NON-PROFIT isp which is
>run totally by volunteers who receive nothing for their efforts
>(other than the fulfilling satisfaction of trying to help under-
>priviliged people have Internet access too).
Is this the same Melbourne system that had some of its operators
charged with criminal offences related to hacking, or am I
thinking of another group?
Matt
From: pr...@suburbia.net (Julian Assange)
Subject: Re: Suburbia.Net (Melbourne, Australia) non-profit ISP with a clue!
Date: 1995/12/08
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Matthias Markus LANG (matt...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU) wrote:
: Is this the same Melbourne system that had some of its operators
: charged with criminal offences related to hacking, or am I
: thinking of another group?
: Matt
Alexia does, Pyromania does, Connect Net does. Ozemail and Ozonline
does/did. There are probably many others as well that I'm not aware of.
Its the nature of the industry. Before deregulation in '94 it was very
difficult for the vast majority of network buffs to obtain legitimate
access to AARN. Some were careless and were caught. A few of those were
charged. I'm not aware of any personal gain or other more traditional
aspects of criminality being involved.
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|EMAIL: pr...@suburbia.net | shopping centre in the world?" - Nixon |
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From: k...@upx.net (KAZ Vorpal)
Subject: Re: Suburbia.Net (Melbourne, Australia) non-profit ISP with a clue!
Date: 1995/12/14
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Matthias Markus LANG (matt...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU) wrote:
>)Mark Dorset <ma...@world.net> writes:
>)>You must be somewhat blind. Suburbia is a NON-PROFIT isp which is
>)>run totally by volunteers who receive nothing for their efforts
>)>(other than the fulfilling satisfaction of trying to help under-
>)>priviliged people have Internet access too).
>)Is this the same Melbourne system that had some of its operators
>)charged with criminal offences related to hacking, or am I
>)thinking of another group?
Hacking? Since when was writing computer code illegal? Do you
mean cracking? I wish the trendies out there wouldn't screw up the
language so badly. These words had meaning before you got to them, you
know.
Hacking is to write code, nothing more. Comes from the telephone
company "hackers" who used to lay phone cable, and later were employed to
hardwire programs into primitive computers.
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From: pr...@suburbia.net (Julian Assange)
Subject: Re: Suburbia.Net (Melbourne, Australia) non-profit ISP with a clue!
Date: 1995/12/16
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KAZ Vorpal (k...@upx.net) wrote:
: Matthias Markus LANG (matt...@mundil.cs.mu.OZ.AU) wrote:
: >)Mark Dorset <ma...@world.net> writes:
: >)>You must be somewhat blind. Suburbia is a NON-PROFIT isp which is
: >)>run totally by volunteers who receive nothing for their efforts
: >)>(other than the fulfilling satisfaction of trying to help under-
: >)>priviliged people have Internet access too).
: >)Is this the same Melbourne system that had some of its operators
: >)charged with criminal offences related to hacking, or am I
: >)thinking of another group?
: Hacking? Since when was writing computer code illegal? Do you
: mean cracking? I wish the trendies out there wouldn't screw up the
: language so badly. These words had meaning before you got to them, you
: know.
: Hacking is to write code, nothing more. Comes from the telephone
: company "hackers" who used to lay phone cable, and later were employed to
: hardwire programs into primitive computers.
I'm not going to argue about the nomenclature. As with many, if not most
words, its meaning is defined by its context.
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From: pe...@aardvark.apana.org.au
Subject: Re: Suburbia.Net (Melbourne, Australia) non-profit ISP with a clue!
Date: 1995/12/21
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k...@upx.net (KAZ Vorpal) wrote:
Surely the diatribe can stop. The whole thread is a bad reflection on
the newsgroup, when unfortunate (petty) rivalry and I suspect jealousy
make the wolf pack act like school children (kindergarten).
If you want to get your teeth into something really useful, why not
discuss the possibility of providing apana members with a good fast
reliable IRC server (undernet I vote for).
Peter Dettmann
From: pr...@suburbia.net (Julian Assange)
Subject: Re: Suburbia.Net (Melbourne, Australia) non-profit ISP with a clue!
Date: 1995/12/23
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pe...@aardvark.apana.org.au wrote:
: k...@upx.net (KAZ Vorpal) wrote:
: Surely the diatribe can stop. The whole thread is a bad reflection on
: the newsgroup, when unfortunate (petty) rivalry and I suspect jealousy
: make the wolf pack act like school children (kindergarten).
: If you want to get your teeth into something really useful, why not
: discuss the possibility of providing apana members with a good fast
: reliable IRC server (undernet I vote for).
The problem is that the connection / disconnection burst is very large
(around 3Mb on irc proper) IRC servers are a bandwidth hog once you have
a decent number of people registered in its space.
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|EMAIL: pr...@suburbia.net | shopping centre in the world?" - Nixon |
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