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From: rom...@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Kai-Uwe Rommel)
Subject: 386BSD on CD-ROM?
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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1992 19:09:49 GMT
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I have tried the 386BSD 0.1 boot floppy on my machine and it seems to
work fine. I have a 486/33 with 16MB and an Adaptec 1542B controller. It
drives a DEC hard disk, a Tandberg Streamer and a NEC CD-ROM reader.

Even from the boot floppy (TinyBSD) I was able to mount the CD-ROM drive
and access an ISO-9660 CD-ROM in it. The 386BSD docs say that
installation via CD-ROM is possible. Question: is 386BSD 0.1 really
available on CD-ROM? If so, where and how much is the CD?

Another question: how can I access the Tandberg Streamer? It is a model
4120 (SCSI-2, 1GB) and the doc's say 386BSD supports QIC-150 tapes. The
streamer supports 150MB tapes too (it's the low end it can read and
write). However, if I access /dev/ras4a as suggested (the streamer is
target 4 on the controller), I get "Bad file descriptor". If I access
/dev/as4d instead, the SCSI bus id flickers shortly and I get
"Input/Output error". Any idea? If I got that working, I could make a
386BSD tape under OS/2 2.0 and install 386BSD from it.

Kai Uwe Rommel

/* Kai Uwe Rommel --- rom...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de */

DOS ... is still a real mode only non-reentrant interrupt
handler, and always will be.                -Russell Williams

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From: k...@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies)
Subject: Re: 386BSD on CD-ROM?
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Even if 386BSD were available on CD-ROM now there would be a bunch of
patch disks required ;-)

BTW - as we are to it: Would it require someone's  agreement to put
386BSD on CD-ROM, Bill Jolitz's, The Regents of California, other's ?

Strangely, Chris Dimetrios (excuse wrong spelling) recently mentioned
in a patch he posted that he had put his *own* Copyright note on the patches.

And he further writes that if anyone want's to put hist software on CD-ROM 
that checking back with him would be required. 

I would like to hear a clarifying statement - possibly from the authors
concerned, themselves.

--Chris

--Christoph Kukulies
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From: h...@hcshh.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: selling 386BSD (was Re: 386BSD on CD-ROM?)
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Date: 14 Aug 92 08:24:34 GMT
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In <1992Aug12.100430.3...@Urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> 
k...@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies) writes:

>Strangely, Chris Dimetrios (excuse wrong spelling) recently mentioned
>in a patch he posted that he had put his *own* Copyright note on the patches.

>And he further writes that if anyone want's to put hist software on CD-ROM 
>that checking back with him would be required. 

i can understand chris. yesterday i saw an ad in the german "unix magazin",
where a company named "tuttle design" sells 386bsd 0.1 on tape for 399,- DM,
which is about 250 US$. they say in the ad, that a contribution to bill jolitz
is contained in this price....

i tried to talk to them, but there is just an answering machine .....

if anyone in germany thinks of buying from them, contact me, i will cut
a tape for you if you contrib 250US$ (or whatever you can give) DIRECTLY
to the jolitz's.

conclusion: in every piece of software, i will put an equivalent copyright
	    notice in. i spend an enormous amount of time writing an pccons
	    device driver (watch out for it), and i do not like it, if some-
	    one else is making money with it.

don't misunderstand me, my contrib is on the way to bill & lynne, and if some-
one sells 386bsd and gives ALL the money to the jolitz's, there is nothing
wrong with it - i would like some sort of centralized version/revision 
management for 386bsd >= 0.2, and in order to do it, they need money !

hellmuth
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hellmuth michaelis    HCS Hanseatischer Computerservice GmbH   hamburg, europe
h...@hcshh.hcs.de              tel: +49/40/55903-170         fax: +49/40/5591486

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From: g...@adagio.UUCP (Greg Lehey)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd
Subject: Re: selling 386BSD (was Re: 386BSD on CD-ROM?)
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Date: 15 Aug 92 07:20:44 GMT
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In article <1...@hcshh.hcs.de> h...@hcshh.hcs.de (Hellmuth Michaelis) writes:
>In <1992Aug12.100430.3...@Urmel.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE> 
k...@acds.physik.rwth-aachen.de (Christoph Kukulies) writes:
>
>i can understand chris. yesterday i saw an ad in the german "unix magazin",
>where a company named "tuttle design" sells 386bsd 0.1 on tape for 399,- DM,
>which is about 250 US$. they say in the ad, that a contribution to bill jolitz
>is contained in this price....
>
Well, DM 399 sounds rather high, but don't forget that people have to
make a living as well. As soon as you start advertising the stuff, you
*have* to charge money just to make ends meet. The smallest ad in UNIX
Magazin costs over DM 600; last time we put an ad in there, it led to
about 3 orders. And we sell our tapes for DM 200 - when you add in the
cost of the tape, we lost money on the deal. We came to the conclusion
that we should stop advertising.

>conclusion: in every piece of software, i will put an equivalent copyright
>	    notice in. i spend an enormous amount of time writing an pccons
>	    device driver (watch out for it), and i do not like it, if some-
>	    one else is making money with it.

As you see, nobody's making much money. The charge is not for the
software, just for the handling. I don't know what kind of copyright
notice would protect against that, even if it made sense.

>if anyone in germany thinks of buying from them, contact me, i will cut
>a tape for you if you contrib 250US$ (or whatever you can give) DIRECTLY
>to the jolitz's.

Sure thing. And if you put in the tape for free, I might even take you
up on it :-)

>don't misunderstand me, my contrib is on the way to bill & lynne, and if some-
>one sells 386bsd and gives ALL the money to the jolitz's, there is nothing
>wrong with it - i would like some sort of centralized version/revision 
>management for 386bsd >= 0.2, and in order to do it, they need money !

Don't misunderstand me. If you want 386bsd from me, you can call us up
and get it via uucp for nothing. But it costs more money than you
think to maintain archives and supply ``free'' software (yes, we
really do put that in parentheses in our literature). The FSF charges
$200 for their tapes, by the way.
-- 
Greg Lehey                       | Tel: +49-6637-1488              
LEMIS                            | Fax: +49-6637-1489
Schellnhausen 2, W-6324 Feldatal, Germany
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