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From: Dennis Cheng-Zen Yang <den...@solar.csie.ntu.edu.tw>
Subject: How about differnt name for  Minix ?
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As I saw many posting about 286 Unix-like OS here, I found that
even Coherent has 386 version now, Minix only has official 86/286 version. 
Yah, I know that Bruce had already written patches for 386.
I know that AST want to make an OS running on low-end computer 
such as 8088 XT to let much much people can play around a UNIX-like
environment.

But why can we not enjoy different levels of Minix ?
Though 286 can execute 86 code, 386 can execute 286 and 86 codes,
why can we not enjoy an official Minix truly and purely for 386?

In the product line of Minix, we can have

	. Minix86/286 - supporting 86 mode and 286 protect mode
	                just as current Minix PC version.
	. Minix386    - support 386 modes, virtual memory, socket
	                communication and windowed environment.
	                We can now utilize the feature of 386,
	                enjoy nicer and more friendly environment.
	. MinixMac    - As macMinix now.
	. MinixAta    - As Minix Atari version now.
	. MinixSparc  - Running on SparcStation.
	. MinixMips   - .......
	. MinixHp     - .......
	. Minix?????? - .......

Therefore, we can take Minix from a very low-end machine to very high-end
machine. We can learn and play around from a novice to an expert.
We can choose different Minix as with our computer.
We can use that, teach with that, research with that, play game of that
and ..........................

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From: r...@frmxqnx.hanse.de (Frank Rabe)
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Subject: Subject: Re: How about differnt name for  Minix ?
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Nice Idea, but ...

AST has mentioned several times that he is not interested in a 32-bit 
Minix.
About two years ago we had the idea to build a complete 32-bit Minix with most 
unix tools like uucp, b-news, tass or tin newsreader and a lot of other 
nice programs. It was planned to build a complete Minix386 ready to install to 
hard disk from a boot disk with a simple command. This Minix386 is still running
on my computer with a lot of things, even mini-X is still usable and sometimes 
I play landmine or xpipeman under it. But from the Minix User Group in Hamburg,
we had about 30 minixer's at highnoon, is only one left. It's me, who still 
use Minix.

We contacted Prentice Hall and Emedia in Germany (Emedia was mentioned as one 
of the best minix selling companies by AST one or two years ago).
We met Jim Steincross (can't remember the name correctly) the chief of Emedia
that time and he told us he would talk to AST whether he will allow a Minix386
to be build. The idea was to sell it through the Minix distributors as an option
to people who buy Minix. But AST didn't accept this, the only way was to do it
over scripts which are based on the original Minix 1.5 and patch the source to
Minix386.

Without a good knowledge of Minix and a lot of time it is nearly impossible 
for a Minix beginner to crosscompile to the Minix386 we want to make available
to everybody who would like to have a Minix/Minix386. So we dropped our plans.
And things crowled as we expected. Most people won't go the way to buy Minix,
try to get all the source for the tools and binaries for bcc to install and 
build a 32-bit Minix386. And without 32-bit Minix386 they couldn't compile
the programs they want to have, like normal uucp , b or c-news, X and so on.
So they looked for something different and most have found their favorits.
Cohorent 4.0 , BSD386, Linux... and have left Minix behind.

So back to your suggestion. First you should figure out whether there are still
some Minix386 users. Second you should contact AST to ask whether he has changed
his option and would support or at least allow a Minix386.
If there are some Minix386's and AST would allow this kind of a project
then work could start.


Frank Rabe

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From: a...@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum)
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: How about differnt name for  Minix ?
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In article <930428...@frmxqnx.hanse.de> r...@frmxqnx.hanse.de (Frank Rabe) 
writes:
> First you should figure out whether there are still
>some Minix386 users. Second you should contact AST to ask whether he has
>changed his option and would support or at least allow a Minix386.

I have gradually dropped most of my opposition to the 386, as they have
become more affordable by students.  I don't, however, want a lot of
work maintaining multiple versions and I don't want the educational
version (16-bits) to have to accept a lot of changes for the 32-bit
version.  I probably would be willing to put a 32-bit binary disk in the
PH distribution though.

The 32 bit version should be based on 1.6.25.

Andy Tanenbaum (a...@cs.vu.nl)

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Subject: Re: Subject: Re: How about differnt name for Minix ?
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In article <9304281415.AA06...@cuthbert.bashstreet> Andy Tanenbaum 
(a...@cs.vu.nl) writes:
[ deleted ]
>I probably would be willing to put a 32-bit binary disk in the
>PH distribution though.
>
>The 32 bit version should be based on 1.6.25.
>

Does this mean that PH are going to start shipping 1.6.25 instead of
1.5.10?
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From: a...@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum)
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In article <1993Apr28.175358.25...@udel.edu> Steve_Kilb...@gec-epl.co.uk writes:
>Does this mean that PH are going to start shipping 1.6.25 instead of
>1.5.10?


No. PH will continue shipping only 1.5.  1.6.25 is a major step towards 2.0,
which PH will ship when I get around to finishing it (say 1994 or 1995 if
nothing gets in the way).

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In article <C67461....@cs.vu.nl> a...@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum) writes:
>In article <930428...@frmxqnx.hanse.de> r...@frmxqnx.hanse.de (Frank Rabe) writes:
>> First you should figure out whether there are still
>>some Minix386 users. Second you should contact AST to ask whether he has changed
>>his option and would support or at least allow a Minix386.
>
>I have gradually dropped most of my opposition to the 386, as they have
>become more affordable by students.  I don't, however, want a lot of
>work maintaining multiple versions and I don't want the educational
>version (16-bits) to have to accept a lot of changes for the 32-bit
>version.  I probably would be willing to put a 32-bit binary disk in the
>PH distribution though.
>
>The 32 bit version should be based on 1.6.25.
>
>Andy Tanenbaum (a...@cs.vu.nl)
>
>
>
>


The 32 bit version of Minix by Bruce Evan should it be based on 1.5.10
or 1.6.25?
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From: a...@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum)
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In article <ikhalaC6B9M1....@netcom.com> ikh...@netcom.com (I'Khala) writes:
>The 32 bit version of Minix by Bruce Evan should it be based on 1.5.10
>or 1.6.25?

The future MINIX line will be based on 1.6.25.  I don't know how much work is
needed to port Bruce's stuff to that.  If it can be done without too many
changes to existing code, that is fine, otherwise less fine.

Andy Tanenbaum (a...@cs.vu.nl)

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Subject: Re: Subject: Re: How about differnt name for Minix ?
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In article <9305011051.AA20...@cuthbert.bashstreet> you write:
>In article <ikhalaC6B9M1....@netcom.com> ikh...@netcom.com (I'Khala) writes:
>>The 32 bit version of Minix by Bruce Evan should it be based on 1.5.10
>>or 1.6.25?
>
>The future MINIX line will be based on 1.6.25.  I don't know how much work is
>needed to port Bruce's stuff to that.  If it can be done without too many
>changes to existing code, that is fine, otherwise less fine.
>
>Andy Tanenbaum (a...@cs.vu.nl)

I'm a little unclear about this - do you mean that all future diffs, changes,
etc. *from last week* will be based on 1.6.25? This seems a little dodgy if
PH are going to continue shipping 1.5.10 until 2.0[.x] is ready. I think all
major changes should be based on what people are actually buying at the
time. Which of course means that I think Bruce's stuff should remain based
on 1.5.10, but that meanwhile, hopefully somebody is looking at 1.6.25 to see
if there are likely to be any problems with a port to 2.0[.x]...

Steve.
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>I'm a little unclear about this - do you mean that all future diffs, changes,
>etc. *from last week* will be based on 1.6.25?

No.  I will probably make postings of 1.6.26 etc based on 1.5 in terms of
the diff listings, since everyone is supposed to have that, but the
content of 1.6.26 will be changes relative to 1.6.25.  I would appreciate
bug reports, proposed changes, etc. to be made relative to 1.6.25 since
that is what I am running now and I hope everyone will be running shortly.

Andy Tanenbaum (a...@cs.vu.nl)

P.S. As to what to do with people who post unwanted stuff to the net, the
proper solution is to send that person a message.  If the guy is really
a pain, make it a long message, say, a couple of megabytes.  If a few
thousand people send a meg each, this will sure get his attention, and without
bothering news readers.

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From: h...@vmars.tuwien.ac.at (Peter Holzer)
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a...@cs.vu.nl (Andy Tanenbaum) writes:

>No.  I will probably make postings of 1.6.26 etc based on 1.5 in terms of
>the diff listings, since everyone is supposed to have that, but the
>content of 1.6.26 will be changes relative to 1.6.25.  I would appreciate
>bug reports, proposed changes, etc. to be made relative to 1.6.25 since
>that is what I am running now and I hope everyone will be running shortly.

Could you post diffs relative to 1.6.25 in the future, too? It is a
little bit painful to apply 4MB of diffs relative to 1.5 if all you
wanted to know is what changed between 1.6.25 and 1.6.26.

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In article <1993May4.154938.14...@email.tuwien.ac.at> h...@vmars.tuwien.ac.at 
(Peter Holzer) writes:
>Could you post diffs relative to 1.6.25 in the future, too? 

It is a fair amount of work to make up and verify two distributions (relative
to 1.5 and relative to 1.6.x) for two compilers (K&R and ANSI).  Maybe I
could make up a full distribution against 1.5 and a more informal one against
1.6.25.  We'll see.  In any event, 1.6.25 should be stable for 6 months or
so, although I will update my online version if any bug reports come in.

Andy Tanenbaum (a...@cs.vu.nl)

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