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From: dle...@MCS.COM (Daniel Leeds)
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Subject: *BSD ILLEGAL???
Date: 14 Apr 1994 14:57:17 -0500
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Some weird chap just sent me email in answer to a question I had about
NetBSD and FreeBSD...he claims that netBSD and FreeBSD are now illegal and I
will get sued 100,000 dollars if I use it.  

Then he calls BSDI a *cheap* alternative....

Is this man smoking crack before he reads news...does anybody have any idea
as to why this freak whould tell me they are ILLEGAL to use.  

If thats true, a bunch of ftp sites will be going bye bye...

Dan

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From: j...@whisker.hubbard.ie (Jordan K. Hubbard)
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Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL???
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In article <2ok76t$...@Mercury.mcs.com> dle...@MCS.COM (Daniel Leeds) writes:
   Some weird chap just sent me email in answer to a question I had about
   NetBSD and FreeBSD...he claims that netBSD and FreeBSD are now illegal and I
   will get sued 100,000 dollars if I use it.

He's on some strange drug, and if you find out what it is, please get
him to send me some! :-)

   Is this man smoking crack before he reads news...does anybody have any idea
   as to why this freak whould tell me they are ILLEGAL to use.

They're not illegal to use.  For awhile, the legality of doing
_further distributions_ of some of them was a bit up in the air, but
for FreeBSD, at least, this has now been resolved (can't speak for the
others since I don't know what they're doing vis-a-vis talking with
USL legal, as I have).  At no time was USL going after users of the
system, much less contemplating suing them for any amount of money.

					Jordan
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From: a...@waterloo.hp.com (Alex Dumitru)
Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL???
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David E. Fox (r...@belvedere.sbay.org) wrote:
: Daniel Leeds (dle...@MCS.COM) wrote:

: : Some weird chap just sent me email in answer to a question I had about
: : NetBSD and FreeBSD...he claims that netBSD and FreeBSD are now illegal
: : and I will get sued 100,000 dollars if I use it.  
: Call his bluff. Say "I'm not going to switch, so go ahead and sue me...

While I don't think it's *illegal* to have it or use it, I wonder what the
policy is for those of us that have source trees that incorporate the
Net/2 distribution, and allow others to browse them and/or download stuff.

cheers
alex

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From: rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin)
Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL???
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In article <CoGp7p....@waterloo.hp.com> a...@waterloo.hp.com (Alex Dumitru) writes:
>While I don't think it's *illegal* to have it or use it, I wonder what the
>policy is for those of us that have source trees that incorporate the
>Net/2 distribution, and allow others to browse them and/or download stuff.

The only reason to worry is if you think that USL might sue you.
There's no reason to suppose that they would, nor that they'd win if
they did.  On the other hand, you probably couldn't afford to fight
the case.

The settlement with UCB and BSDI *does not* mean that Net/2 is in any
way subject to any restrictions by USL.  It merely means that UCB and
BSDI have agreed not to distribute it, in return for USL accepting the
free-ness of 99% of Net/2, which will be released as 4.4-Lite.  The
legal situation for everyone not party to the lawsuit is completely
unchanged.

Where possible, it will probably make sense to replace any publically
available copies of Net/2 with 4.4-Lite when it becomes available.

-- Richard
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From: ha...@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL???
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In article <CoGp7p....@waterloo.hp.com> a...@waterloo.hp.com (Alex Dumitru) writes:
>David E. Fox (r...@belvedere.sbay.org) wrote:
>: Daniel Leeds (dle...@MCS.COM) wrote:
>
>: : Some weird chap just sent me email in answer to a question I had about
>: : NetBSD and FreeBSD...he claims that netBSD and FreeBSD are now illegal
>: : and I will get sued 100,000 dollars if I use it.  
>: Call his bluff. Say "I'm not going to switch, so go ahead and sue me...
>
>While I don't think it's *illegal* to have it or use it, I wonder what the
>policy is for those of us that have source trees that incorporate the
>Net/2 distribution, and allow others to browse them and/or download stuff.
>

Interesting, I think that USL or UCB should make a public statement 
about thi;specially, if net2 is still accesible on the net. 

It sounds to me like a scam -- if portions of the net2 are not 
the property of UCB then why are they still available. Is not
like they have to dig through tons of code to extract 
the files belonging to Novell... I find this all very odd.

Amancio


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From: tingu...@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely)
Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL???
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In article <hastyCoGwJt....@netcom.com> ha...@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:
>
>Interesting, I think that USL or UCB should make a public statement 
>about thi;specially, if net2 is still accesible on the net. 
>

 yesterday I recieved the licence agrrement forms for BSD 4.4-lite. Include
 is a four page statement (double spaced)labeled simply: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.
 The letter breifly describes the history, conflict and resolution of the
 dispute. It states that neither side admits the claims of the other...

 On page three, it says: " The settlement restricts further use of distribution
 of certain files in the Second Networking Release and requires that certain
 files in the 4.4 BSD-lite include a USL copyright notice. In addition to
 providing several enhancements, the new 4.4 BSD-Lite Release will replace
 most of the restricted files and incorporates all the agreed-upon modifications
 and notices. Thus, 4.4 BSD-Lite will not require a license from nor payments of
 royalities to USL. The University strongly recommends that 4.4 BSD-Lite be
 substituted for Net2.

 I am sure the full notice is available some electronically for those that
 want to read the release.

--mark.

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From: ha...@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL???
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In article <CoIK1G....@ns1.nodak.edu> tingu...@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely) 
writes:
>In article <hastyCoGwJt....@netcom.com> ha...@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:
>
> yesterday I recieved the licence agrrement forms for BSD 4.4-lite. Include
> is a four page statement (double spaced)labeled simply: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.
Great!
With the FreeBSD Gamma release and the legalities almost sort it out we now 
have to hone are marketing skills to push FreeBSD around. 

The more people use FreeBSD and contribute the better off we will be.
Simple things, like when using vat specify your OS, when you post
state your favorite OS, articles to key magazines or underground
Newspapers such as Computer Currents or Microtimes will help our
cause a lot :) the X-journal way crying about the high cost
of unix systems and software ...

Once while I was talking to a WindBloat-NT expert, when I mentioned that
we were running X on 8MB he was shocked :)

	Enjoy,
	Amancio

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From: d...@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani)
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Subject: Re: *BSD ILLEGAL???
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In article <CoIK1G....@ns1.nodak.edu>, tingu...@plains.NoDak.edu (Mark Tinguely) 
writes:

| yesterday I recieved the licence agrrement forms for BSD 4.4-lite. Include
| is a four page statement (double spaced)labeled simply: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE.
| The letter breifly describes the history, conflict and resolution of the
| dispute. It states that neither side admits the claims of the other...
|
| On page three, it says: " The settlement restricts further use of distribution
| of certain files in the Second Networking Release and requires that certain
| files in the 4.4 BSD-lite include a USL copyright notice.

Is a list of the restricted files from NET/2 publicly available?

				Dan Lanciani
				ddl@harvard.*

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In article <3...@ddlgw.UUCP>, d...@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes:
|> Is a list of the restricted files from NET/2 publicly available?

From what I can glean, the list is below. Email me if this is inaccurate.

	Warren

 Files that can no longer be distributed from net/2

/sys/kern/init_main.c
/sys/kern/kern_clock.c
/sys/kern/kern_exit.c
/sys/kern/kern_sig.c
/sys/kern/kern_synch.c
/sys/kern/sys_generic.c
/sys/kern/sys_process.c
/sys/kern/tty.c
/sys/kern/tty_compat.c
/sys/kern/tty_conf.c
/sys/kern/tty_tty.c
/sys/ufs/ufs_bmap.c
/sys/ufs/ufs_disksubr.c
/sys/ufs/ufs_inode.c
/sys/ufs/ufs_vnops.c
/sys/kern/vfs_syscalls.c
and the cpio source.


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