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From: Todd C Miller <mill...@cs.Colorado.EDU>
Subject: Re: NetBSD camp reaction to OpenBSD?
Date: 1995/11/25
Message-ID: <30b755fe.0@xyzzy.cs.colorado.edu>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 120100375
references: <30B6A790.41C67EA6@FreeBSD.org>
organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
reply-to: mill...@cs.Colorado.EDU (Todd C Miller)
newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
originator: millert@xyzzy. (Todd C Miller)

Speaking simply as someone who watched all of the sillyness that
transpired on the NetBSD mailing lists during the Theo escapade,
I'm sorrow that the schism happened, but that's about it.
Theo has done some amazing work and I hope that the copyright
for OpenBSD is in the Berkeley style so that the other BSD's
can pick up some of his stuff.  I'm sure that there will be
quite a few people upset about yaBSD (yet another BSD), but
I don't see healthy competition being a real problem as long
as both camps are free to incorporate the other's ideas and
code.  Not surprisingly, this is how I felt about the NetBSD/FreBSD
split.

 - todd
-- 
Todd C. Miller   Sysadmin--University of Colorado   Todd.Mil...@cs.colorado.edu

From: d...@cs.purdue.edu (David Moffett)
Subject: Re: NetBSD camp reaction to OpenBSD?
Date: 1995/11/26
Message-ID: <498sl3$52h@ector.cs.purdue.edu>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 120225989
references: <30B6A790.41C67EA6@FreeBSD.org> <30b755fe.0@xyzzy.cs.colorado.edu>
organization: Department of Computer Science, Purdue University
newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc

Would it be opening Pandoras Box for us non-list readers to get a one
screen summary of what caused this split?  Was it a people vs people or 
technical ideas vs technical ideas kind of problem?

Please no flames, just a short summary.

David Moffett
(d...@cs.purdue.edu)

From: ch...@ccrc.wustl.edu (Chuck Cranor)
Subject: Re: NetBSD camp reaction to OpenBSD?
Date: 1995/11/26
Message-ID: <49aui4$8in@dworkin.wustl.edu>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 120159932
references: <30B6A790.41C67EA6@FreeBSD.org> <30b755fe.0@xyzzy.cs.colorado.edu> 
<498sl3$52h@ector.cs.purdue.edu>
organization: Washington University,  St. Louis MO.
newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc

In article <498sl3$...@ector.cs.purdue.edu>,
David Moffett <d...@cs.purdue.edu> wrote:
>Would it be opening Pandoras Box for us non-list readers to get a one
>screen summary of what caused this split?  Was it a people vs people or 
>technical ideas vs technical ideas kind of problem?

~one screen summary:
 - a bit more than a year ago NetBSD/core decided that Theo de Raadt should
   be removed from Core based on Theo's behavior ("rude and abusive"), and 
   also on flames/email that Theo sent privately to a person working on NetBSD.
   [that person forwarded (without permission) Theo's flames back to Core, 
   and to Theo's boss at the time]
 - Core waited one night until Theo went to sleep and then disabled his account
   on all the main NetBSD machines.  This had the effect of removing him from
   Core and removing his CVS access (out of fear of revenge).   They then 
   sent him an email after the fact telling him that he had to resign.
 - Theo, rather upset, dropped off the net for a while.
 - Theo later changed jobs, and resurfaced.  He started working on NetBSD/sparc
   again.  He contacted Core and requested that his CVS access be restored.  At
   first he released some of his changes to NetBSD, but later decided to hold
   on to his changes to the source code until the issue of his CVS access was
   resolved.   [this didn't sit well with a lot of users]
 - Core indicated to Theo that they were willing to negotiate on CVS access,
   and Theo stated that he would agree to what ever it was that other users
   with CVS access were agreeing to at the time.
 - Core decided to formulate a "CVS access" document that everyone with CVS
   access would have to agree to.   Theo was told to wait for this document.
 - Theo waited about 5 months for this document to be produced by Core.
   Core was unable to produce the document and kept telling Theo to wait.
 - Theo, feeling ignored, got tired of waiting and released his copy of his
   email dialogue with Core (to show people that he had been waiting and
   trying) and then decided to start OpenBSD.

that's the story in a screen or so.

chuck
-- 
Chuck Cranor, Graduate Student
Computer and Communications Research Center
Washington University, St. Louis MO  USA
E-Mail: ch...@maria.wustl.edu / cra...@udel.edu 

From: cehar...@mal.com (Carl Harris)
Subject: Re: NetBSD camp reaction to OpenBSD?
Date: 1995/11/27
Message-ID: <49cso4$4st@server.cs.vt.edu>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 120315311
references: <30B6A790.41C67EA6@FreeBSD.org> <MICHAELV.95Nov26143135@MindBender.HeadCandy.com>
followup-to: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
organization: Maladjusted Communications
reply-to: cehar...@mal.com
newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc

Michael L. VanLoon (micha...@MindBender.HeadCandy.com) wrote:
: In article <30B6A790.41C67...@FreeBSD.org> 
: "Jordan K. Hubbard" <j...@FreeBSD.org> writes:
:    Just looking at http://www.openbsd.org this evening, and it looks like a
:    significant NetBSD clone in many respects - at least most of the
:    platforms would appear to be NetBSD "rebadges" for the time being.
:    I was just wondering how the NetBSD folk felt about this additional
:    schism within the BSD camp, given that it was started by an ex-NetBSD

: I think the majority of the NetBSD folk, especially the core members,
: are officially saying "No comment" for obvious reasons.


Maybe if we ignore it (OpenBSD) it will slip quietly into insignificance.

--
Carl Harris
EXECUTIVE Scapegoat
cehar...@mal.com

From: mig...@sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx (Miguel de Icaza)
Subject: Re: NetBSD camp reaction to OpenBSD?
Date: 1995/12/04
Message-ID: <s8ka4cxvyp.fsf@sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx>#1/1
X-Deja-AN: 120856605
sender: mig...@sphinx.nuclecu.unam.mx
references: <30B6A790.41C67EA6@FreeBSD.org>
organization: Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico
newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc


> : I think the majority of the NetBSD folk, especially the core members,
> : are officially saying "No comment" for obvious reasons.
> 
> 
> Maybe if we ignore it (OpenBSD) it will slip quietly into insignificance.
 
OpenBSD has a couple of ports to new architectures (two of them?).
And David Miller (Linux' Sparc porter) will be adding some nice
surprises to OpenBSD.

Miguel.
-- 
mig...@roxanne.nuclecu.unam.mx     
The Midnight Commander: http://stekt.oulu.fi/~jtklehto/mc/

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