From: Martial Chateauvieux
Subject: [Paparazzi-devel] The blog, the paparazzi team/community, JR, etc...
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 21:52:39 +0100
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Hi all,
I read this list There have been a couple of things that I find disturbing
during the last months. I am on this list since 2005, and so far, I had the
feeling to know who was
what. Antoine and Pascal are the ENAC guys. The project is hosted at the ENAC
so it was clear somehow who was driving the project (Of course there are many
other long term
contributors). The things changed since THE blog appeared, which doesn't have
an ENAC address. Further on this blog, the posts are signed from a mysterious
(to me at least)
paparazzi team.
. It is not clear to me who really is behind the Blog: I would suspect
Joby Robotics to disguize itself as paparazzi team as the choice of the topics
somewhat falls on
hadware they sell. The "About" page says "the paparazzi community" is behind. I
know one for sure I wasn't involved.
. On the other side I believe Antoine has been working on the lisa
Board and IMUs for some years now.
. In my Fantasy, Antoine moved from the ENAC to JR... (Which is ok, but
I just don't know)
According to the recent Aspirin thread, I am not alone to be confused. May be
it is worth to sort it out. My suggestion would be:
. Explain somewhere on the Blog what the exact relationship it
maintains to the Paparazzi project. Who is the editor, and who are the
contributors. Please sign the posts
with you usual nicknames and add your company name if this applies.
. For JR and the other commercial supliers, list the contributors
nicknames belonging to the company so that we can sort out who is telling what
(may be on the supplier page
of the wiki?). Add the company name in your signature when posting to the
mailing list.
Just adding my 2 cent opinion here.
Martial
PS: Also the copyright on the blog is very strange (I cannot map that name to
anything related to paparazzi...) and not actual.
From: Roman Krashanitsa
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] The blog, the paparazzi team/community, JR, etc...
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:34:42 -0800
Hey Martial,
I am with you on this one. There is just too much commercial fluff lately in
the mix and it is hard to tell right away who is who. Of couse, it is very
slick move for the hardware suppliers' "paparazzi community". But this may
lead to loss of the Community support for the project.
I am sure some of us remember a guy from China (I think) and his company who
just in one night heavily modified the paparazzi wiki page, peppered it with
references to his company. I remember the outcry that followed and a prompt
disappearance of that guy. Just a lesson to learn.
I am worried that commercial influx without proper identification may lead to
Paparazzi comunity death as it is. I am sure, Pascal would not approve this.
So, I suggest that the companies that manufacture and sell paparazzi
autopilots would identify themselves.
On the other hand, if you are an individual, happen to work for such a
company, and you still want to contribute to the project, please, use your
real name, or a nick, don't write "Paparazzi community" or "Paparazzi team"
Best Regards,
Roman Krashanitsa
2011/3/2 Martial Chateauvieux
Hi all,
I read this list There have been a couple of things that I find disturbing
during the last months. I am on this list since 2005, and so far, I had the
feeling to know who was
what. Antoine and Pascal are the ENAC guys. The project is hosted at the ENAC
so it was clear somehow who was driving the project (Of course there are many
other long term
contributors). The things changed since THE blog appeared, which doesn't have
an ENAC address. Further on this blog, the posts are signed from a mysterious
(to me at least)
paparazzi team.
. It is not clear to me who really is behind the Blog: I would suspect
Joby Robotics to disguize itself as paparazzi team as the choice of the topics
somewhat falls on
hadware they sell. The "About" page says "the paparazzi community" is behind. I
know one for sure I wasn't involved.
. On the other side I believe Antoine has been working on the lisa
Board and IMUs for some years now.
. In my Fantasy, Antoine moved from the ENAC to JR... (Which is ok, but
I just don't know)
According to the recent Aspirin thread, I am not alone to be confused. May be
it is worth to sort it out. My suggestion would be:
. Explain somewhere on the Blog what the exact relationship it
maintains to the Paparazzi project. Who is the editor, and who are the
contributors. Please sign the posts
with you usual nicknames and add your company name if this applies.
. For JR and the other commercial supliers, list the contributors
nicknames belonging to the company so that we can sort out who is telling what
(may be on the supplier page
of the wiki?). Add the company name in your signature when posting to the
mailing list.
Just adding my 2 cent opinion here.
Martial
PS: Also the copyright on the blog is very strange (I cannot map that name to
anything related to paparazzi...) and not actual.
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From: Todd Sandercock
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] The blog, the paparazzi team/community, JR, etc...
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 16:57:46 -0800 (PST)
I think the input from companies has greatly helped the paparazzi
community.... Software, hardware, support and general interest has benefited
so far.
As for people contributing to things on the internet, I know a lot of people
do not like to make any information about themselves public on the internet.
Their privacy should be respected.
Todd
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From: Roman Krashanitsa < address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 10:04:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] The blog, the paparazzi team/community, JR, etc...
Hey Martial,
I am with you on this one. There is just too much commercial fluff lately in
the mix and it is hard to tell right away who is who. Of couse, it is very
slick move for the hardware suppliers' "paparazzi community". But this may
lead to loss of the Community support for the project.
I am sure some of us remember a guy from China (I think) and his company who
just in one night heavily modified the paparazzi wiki page, peppered it with
references to his company. I remember the outcry that followed and a prompt
disappearance of that guy. Just a lesson to learn.
I am worried that commercial influx without proper identification may lead to
Paparazzi comunity death as it is. I am sure, Pascal would not approve this.
So, I suggest that the companies that manufacture and sell paparazzi
autopilots would identify themselves.
On the other hand, if you are an individual, happen to work for such a
company, and you still want to contribute to the project, please, use your
real name, or a nick, don't write "Paparazzi community" or "Paparazzi team"
Best Regards,
Roman Krashanitsa
2011/3/2 Martial Chateauvieux < address@hidden>
Hi all,
I read this list There have been a couple of things that I find disturbing
during the last months. I am on this list since 2005, and so far, I had the
feeling to know who was
what. Antoine and Pascal are the ENAC guys. The project is hosted at the ENAC
so it was clear somehow who was driving the project (Of course there are many
other long term
contributors). The things changed since THE blog appeared, which doesn't have
an ENAC address. Further on this blog, the posts are signed from a mysterious
(to me at least)
paparazzi team.
. It is not clear to me who really is behind the Blog: I would suspect
Joby Robotics to disguize itself as paparazzi team as the choice of the topics
somewhat falls on
hadware they sell. The "About" page says "the paparazzi community" is behind. I
know one for sure I wasn't involved.
. On the other side I believe Antoine has been working on the lisa
Board and IMUs for some years now.
. In my Fantasy, Antoine moved from the ENAC to JR... (Which is ok, but
I just don't know)
According to the recent Aspirin thread, I am not alone to be confused. May be
it is worth to sort it out. My suggestion would be:
. Explain somewhere on the Blog what the exact relationship it
maintains to the Paparazzi project. Who is the editor, and who are the
contributors. Please sign the posts
with you usual nicknames and add your company name if this applies.
. For JR and the other commercial supliers, list the contributors
nicknames belonging to the company so that we can sort out who is telling what
(may be on the supplier page
of the wiki?). Add the company name in your signature when posting to the
mailing list.
Just adding my 2 cent opinion here.
Martial
PS: Also the copyright on the blog is very strange (I cannot map that name to
anything related to paparazzi...) and not actual.
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Paparazzi-devel mailing list
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From: Roman Krashanitsa
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] The blog, the paparazzi team/community, JR, etc...
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:10:38 -0800
Todd, I agree with you on this. And companies who make hardware available to
the masses are invaluable, as well as their professional input and hard work.
We are trying to make it clear who is standing behind any piece of hardware
or software. Of course, you are free to use a nickname, nobody doubts that.
The question was to restrict usage of too general community names.
Such as,
Best Regards,
Paparazzi Team
2011/3/2 Todd Sandercock
I think the input from companies has greatly helped the paparazzi
community.... Software, hardware, support and general interest has benefited
so far.
As for people contributing to things on the internet, I know a lot of people
do not like to make any information about themselves public on the internet.
Their privacy should be respected.
Todd
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Roman Krashanitsa
To: address@hidden
Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 10:04:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] The blog, the paparazzi team/community, JR, etc...
Hey Martial,
I am with you on this one. There is just too much commercial fluff lately in
the mix and it is hard to tell right away who is who. Of couse, it is very
slick move for the hardware suppliers' "paparazzi community". But this may
lead to loss of the Community support for the project.
I am sure some of us remember a guy from China (I think) and his company who
just in one night heavily modified the paparazzi wiki page, peppered it with
references to his company. I remember the outcry that followed and a prompt
disappearance of that guy. Just a lesson to learn.
I am worried that commercial influx without proper identification may lead to
Paparazzi comunity death as it is. I am sure, Pascal would not approve this.
So, I suggest that the companies that manufacture and sell paparazzi
autopilots would identify themselves.
On the other hand, if you are an individual, happen to work for such a
company, and you still want to contribute to the project, please, use your
real name, or a nick, don't write "Paparazzi community" or "Paparazzi team"
Best Regards,
Roman Krashanitsa
2011/3/2 Martial Chateauvieux
Hi all,
I read this list There have been a couple of things that I find disturbing
during the last months. I am on this list since 2005, and so far, I had the
feeling to know who was
what. Antoine and Pascal are the ENAC guys. The project is hosted at the ENAC
so it was clear somehow who was driving the project (Of course there are many
other long term
contributors). The things changed since THE blog appeared, which doesn't have
an ENAC address. Further on this blog, the posts are signed from a mysterious
(to me at least)
paparazzi team.
. It is not clear to me who really is behind the Blog: I would suspect
Joby Robotics to disguize itself as paparazzi team as the choice of the topics
somewhat falls on
hadware they sell. The "About" page says "the paparazzi community" is behind. I
know one for sure I wasn't involved.
. On the other side I believe Antoine has been working on the lisa
Board and IMUs for some years now.
. In my Fantasy, Antoine moved from the ENAC to JR... (Which is ok, but
I just don't know)
According to the recent Aspirin thread, I am not alone to be confused. May be
it is worth to sort it out. My suggestion would be:
. Explain somewhere on the Blog what the exact relationship it
maintains to the Paparazzi project. Who is the editor, and who are the
contributors. Please sign the posts
with you usual nicknames and add your company name if this applies.
. For JR and the other commercial supliers, list the contributors
nicknames belonging to the company so that we can sort out who is telling what
(may be on the supplier page
of the wiki?). Add the company name in your signature when posting to the
mailing list.
Just adding my 2 cent opinion here.
Martial
PS: Also the copyright on the blog is very strange (I cannot map that name to
anything related to paparazzi...) and not actual.
_______________________________________________
Paparazzi-devel mailing list
address@hidden
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From: Piotr Esden-Tempski
Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] The blog, the paparazzi team/community, JR, etc...
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:17:02 -0800
On Mar 2, 2011, at 5:10 PM, Roman Krashanitsa wrote:
> Todd, I agree with you on this. And companies who make hardware available to
> the masses are invaluable, as well as their professional input and hard work.
> We are trying to make it clear who is standing behind any piece of hardware
> or software. Of course, you are free to use a nickname, nobody doubts that.
> The question was to restrict usage of too general community names.
I agree on that. The article was not as well written as it should be. But the
blog is open to everyone in the Paparazzi community who wants to contribute
articles about paparazzi. If you want to help out and write articles as well as
help proof reading/editing the articles I am happy to give you an account. We
are using a skype channel to synchronize our efforts on the blog. You can reach
me as esdentem there.
Hope to hear from you soon!
>
> Such as,
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Paparazzi Team
>
> 2011/3/2 Todd Sandercock < address@hidden>
> I think the input from companies has greatly helped the paparazzi
> community.... Software, hardware, support and general interest has benefited
> so far.
>
> As for people contributing to things on the internet, I know a lot of people
> do not like to make any information about themselves public on the internet.
> Their privacy should be respected.
>
> Todd
>
> From: Roman Krashanitsa < address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Sent: Thu, 3 March, 2011 10:04:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [Paparazzi-devel] The blog, the paparazzi team/community, JR,
> etc...
>
> Hey Martial,
>
> I am with you on this one. There is just too much commercial fluff lately in
> the mix and it is hard to tell right away who is who. Of couse, it is very
> slick move for the hardware suppliers' "paparazzi community". But this may
> lead to loss of the Community support for the project.
>
> I am sure some of us remember a guy from China (I think) and his company who
> just in one night heavily modified the paparazzi wiki page, peppered it with
> references to his company. I remember the outcry that followed and a prompt
> disappearance of that guy. Just a lesson to learn.
>
> I am worried that commercial influx without proper identification may lead to
> Paparazzi comunity death as it is. I am sure, Pascal would not approve this.
>
> So, I suggest that the companies that manufacture and sell paparazzi
> autopilots would identify themselves.
>
> On the other hand, if you are an individual, happen to work for such a
> company, and you still want to contribute to the project, please, use your
> real name, or a nick, don't write "Paparazzi community" or "Paparazzi team"
>
> Best Regards,
> Roman Krashanitsa
>
>
> 2011/3/2 Martial Chateauvieux < address@hidden>
> Hi all,
>
> I read this list There have been a couple of things that I find disturbing
> during the last months. I am on this list since 2005, and so far, I had the
> feeling to know who was
> what. Antoine and Pascal are the ENAC guys. The project is hosted at the ENAC
> so it was clear somehow who was driving the project (Of course there are many
> other long term
> contributors). The things changed since THE blog appeared, which doesn't have
> an ENAC address. Further on this blog, the posts are signed from a mysterious
> (to me at least)
> paparazzi team.
> . It is not clear to me who really is behind the Blog: I would suspect
> Joby Robotics to disguize itself as paparazzi team as the choice of the
> topics somewhat falls on
> hadware they sell. The "About" page says "the paparazzi community" is behind.
> I know one for sure I wasn't involved.
> . On the other side I believe Antoine has been working on the lisa
> Board and IMUs for some years now.
> . In my Fantasy, Antoine moved from the ENAC to JR... (Which is ok,
> but I just don't know)
>
> According to the recent Aspirin thread, I am not alone to be confused. May be
> it is worth to sort it out. My suggestion would be:
> . Explain somewhere on the Blog what the exact relationship it
> maintains to the Paparazzi project. Who is the editor, and who are the
> contributors. Please sign the posts
> with you usual nicknames and add your company name if this applies.
> . For JR and the other commercial supliers, list the contributors
> nicknames belonging to the company so that we can sort out who is telling
> what (may be on the supplier page
> of the wiki?). Add the company name in your signature when posting to the
> mailing list.
>
> Just adding my 2 cent opinion here.
> Martial
>
>
> PS: Also the copyright on the blog is very strange (I cannot map that name to
> anything related to paparazzi...) and not actual.
Cheers Esden
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