Path: gmdzi!unido!unidui!math.fu-berlin.de!fauern!ira.uka.de!sol.ctr.columbia.edu! spool.mu.edu!wupost!uunet!tijc02!pjs269 From: pjs...@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Does the EFF really support free enterprise? Message-ID: <1991Oct22.202214.26341@tijc02.uucp> Date: 22 Oct 91 20:22:14 GMT Organization: Siemens Industrial Automation, Johnson City TN Lines: 25 Does the EFF *really* support free enterprise? Mitch Kapor testified: > My name is Mitchell Kapor. I am the founder and former chief > executive of Lotus Development Corporation and the designer of Lotus 1-2-3, > the world's most successful business software application. I am here today > representing the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Inc., a non-profit > organization concerned with the development of information and > telecommunications policy which promotes innovation and free enterprise. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ and in the same testimony said > The telecommunications industry, unlike computers, is, as you know, > a highly regulated one, for very good reasons of social policy. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I would like to get the lowest cost for telecommunications services, also. Free enterprise and the innovation that results from it are ideas I would advocate. I think that regulation of the telecommunications industry will severly deter the free market and resulting innovation. How does highly regulating the telecommunications industry promote innovation and free enterprise? What is this concept of "social policy" and what are the "very good reasons" for high regulations? --------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Schmidt - (615)283-0084 - uunet!tijc02!pjs269 President, Davy Crockett Chapter: Advocates for Self-Government
Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!world!eff!ckd From: mka...@eff.org (Mitch Kapor) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: Does the EFF really support free enterprise? Message-ID: <CKD.91Oct23153137@eff.org> Date: 23 Oct 91 19:31:45 GMT References: <1991Oct22.202214.26341@tijc02.uucp> Sender: c...@eff.org (Christopher Davis) Organization: Electronic Frontier Foundation Tech Central Lines: 52 In-Reply-To: pjs269@tijc02.uucp's message of 22 Oct 91 20:22:14 GMT >Does the EFF *really* support free enterprise? Mitch Kapor testified: > >> My name is Mitchell Kapor. I am the founder and former chief >> executive of Lotus Development Corporation and the designer of Lotus 1-2-3, >> the world's most successful business software application. I am here today >> representing the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Inc., a non-profit >> organization concerned with the development of information and >> telecommunications policy which promotes innovation and free enterprise. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >and in the same testimony said > >> The telecommunications industry, unlike computers, is, as you know, >> a highly regulated one, for very good reasons of social policy. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >I would like to get the lowest cost for telecommunications services, also. >Free enterprise and the innovation that results from it are ideas I would >advocate. I think that regulation of the telecommunications industry will >severly deter the free market and resulting innovation. How does highly >regulating the telecommunications industry promote innovation and free >enterprise? What is this concept of "social policy" and what are the >"very good reasons" for high regulations? > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >Paul Schmidt - (615)283-0084 - uunet!tijc02!pjs269 >President, Davy Crockett Chapter: Advocates for Self-Government > > While I'd agree that, in most cases, regulation deters free market innovation (as I think the full body of my testimony clearly demonstrated), there are important reasons any historically knowledgeable person should acknowledge for some degree of regulation. Since local telephone service has been a monopoly for 80 years, it is likely that in the absence of government regulation many remote areas would have no telephone service at all as telephone companies found it unprofitable to bring service there. In addition, rates would likely be set to maximize revenue. This would probably make telephones unaffordable by students, poor people, and the elderly. All of these are excellent reasons for regulation of local telephone service. Universal service is a good policy. Changing technologies, such as personal communication systems of the 21st century, may make local loop competition economically efficient. In such a case one of the rationales for regulation is diminished. [reposted by] -- Christopher Davis <c...@eff.org> | WEIRD QUOTES OF THE WEEK: System Manager & Postmaster | "Carpe grepem." Electronic Frontier Foundation | "Seize the WAIS?" +1 617 864 0665 NIC: [CKD1] | -- two overworked technodweebs
Path: gmdzi!zeus.ieee.org!europa.asd.contel.com!uunet!iWarp.intel.com|eff!eff-gate! usenet From: mka...@eff.org (Mitch Kapor) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: Does the EFF really support free enterprise? Message-ID: <199111112057.AA16465@eff.org> Date: 11 Nov 91 10:57:55 GMT Sender: mkapor Organization: EFF mail-news gateway Lines: 42 Approved: use...@eff.org I claim that, without regulation (or other form of government intervention), rural areas would not be served with telephone service. The basis of the argument is that the cost of providing basic phone service in rural areas is sufficiently expensive that firms would not invest on their own to do this. They would instead seek other opportunities which prmised a greater return to invest their capital, leaving rural areas unserved. It might be argued that, if prices were unregulated, someone would offer service, albeit at a high price. Even if this were the case, it would not meet a policy goal of universal, affordable service. You that if a new firm were able to get a foothold, then big, existing companies would choose to interconnect in order to deliver calls from their customers to the new service. I don't see how this is relevant if no new companies would enter the market. In addition, I seem to remember that historically AT&T refused to interconnect fully to independent phone companies until they got their monopoly status affirmed. With new wireless technologies such as PCS being developed, entry costs for local exchange competion in urban and suburban areas will be much lower. It will be economically desirable to permit full competition in the local loop. We support this policy direction. Your statement that we're a defender of forbidding local loop competition is in error. That is not our position. This aside, I claim that the requirement for universal service is still a good argument for regulation. The motivating examples continue to depend on market failures. I need to know whether you believe that market failures ever exist. If not, then I think I understand the point of departure of our views. If so, then all we have is a possible empirical disagreement about under what conditions market failures obtain with respect to telephone service. My own view is that large organizations, per se, are problematic, not simply large public organizations (i.e. the government). I think we need as much protection against depredations of impersonal corporate forces than we do against government bureaucracy. But then again, I suppose I'm just a sentimentalist when it comes to such things. :-) Mitch Kapor, Electronic Frontier Foundation mka...@eff.org