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Subject: GNU Emacs: How Public Domain?
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Date: Wed, 5-Jun-85 13:08:00 EDT
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Found this in fa.info-vax. What's the real scoop about Gosling's code?
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From: sas...@harvard.ARPA (Marty Sasaki)
There are several groups working on porting GNU EMACS from UNIX to VMS.
I am only one of these folks and I have lots of other things that need
to be done first, others will have the ports done before I finish mine.
GNU EMACS is a public domain EMACS and is available on many ARPA and
UUCP sites. GNU EMACS run very well (comparable speed to CCA and Gosling's)
but is very large. When it has been ported to VMS, there won't be much
reason to buy CCA or UNIPRESS EMACS.
Marty Sasaki
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From: Ron Natalie <ron@BRL.ARPA>
FOO, don't expect that GNU EMACS is really in the public domain. UNIPRESS
seems rather annoyed that there are large portions of it that are marked
copyright James Gosling.
-Ron
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From: sas...@harvard.ARPA (Marty Sasaki)
I was afraid of something like this (ie, the copyright James Gosling stuff).
The tape also distributes source to dbx. I've been deleting it when I pass it
on unless I know that the site has a source licence. What to do? Maybe RMS
will settle all of this?
Marty Sasaki
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Subject: Re: GNU Emacs: How Public Domain?
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RMS's work is based on a version of Gosling code that existed
before Unipress got it. Gosling had put that code into the
public domain. Any work taking off from the early Gosling
code is therefore also public domain.
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From: z@masscomp.UUCP (Steve Zimmerman)
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Subject: Re: GNU Emacs: How Public Domain?
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> RMS's work is based on a version of Gosling code that existed
> before Unipress got it. Gosling had put that code into the
> public domain. Any work taking off from the early Gosling
> code is therefore also public domain.
This is completely contrary to Gosling's public statements. Before he
made his arrangements with Unipress, Gosling's policy was that he would
send a free copy of his Emacs to anyone who asked, but he did not
(publicly, at least) give anyone else permission to make copies. Once
Unipress started selling Gosling's Emacs, Gosling stopped distributing
free copies and still did not grant anyone else permission to make them;
instead, he suggested that people buy Emacs from Unipress. All versions
of Gosling's Emacs distributed by him carry his copyright notice, and
therefore none of them are in the public domain. Removing copyright
notices without the author's permission is, of course, illegal. Now, a
quick check of my GNU Emacs sources shows that sure enough, a number of
files have Gosling's copyright notice in them. What this all means is
that unless RMS got written permission from Gosling to distribute his
code, all copies of GNU Emacs constitute violations of the copyright
law. All those people making such copies, including those people who
allow them to be copied off their machines, could each be liable for
large sums of money. I think that RMS had better tell us if he has
Gosling's written permission to make these copies. If so, why has he
not stated this earlier (preferably in the distribution itself) and
thereby cleared up a potentially major point of confusion? If not, why
has he gone ahead and made many, many people liable for criminal
prosecution by recommending that they distribute this code without even
warning them of their liability? (People who distribute this code would
be liable even if they claim that they didn't see Gosling's notices; the
fact that the notices are there is sufficient. "Ignorance of the law is
no excuse.")
Now, I have nothing against free software; it's a free country and
people can do what they want. It's just that people who do distribute
free software had better be sure that they have the legal right to do
so, or be prepared to face the consequences.
Steven Zimmerman
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