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Subject: fyi, Legality of GNU emacs
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Date: Sun, 23-Jun-85 16:22:48 EDT
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From: Jim Guyton <guyton@rand-unix>

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From: jag@sun.uucp (James Gosling)
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Subject: Re: Permission
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Summary: 

I've tried to stay out of this discussion, but it has gotten too far
out of hand for me to remain silent.  In no way did I ever give Fen
Lebalm (and by dubious transitivity, Richard Stallman) permission to
distribute any part of the Emacs that I wrote.  Version 85 was not in
the public domain - I was very careful to get everyone who recieved a
copy to agree to not redistribute it..  Unfortunatly, two moves have
left my records in a shambles.

I am not against public domain software: I am very much in favor of
it.  There is an awful lot of public domain software floating around on
the net that was written by me.  Emacs is not a part of it.

I would applaud the GNU effort (Emacs has needed a real lisp in it for
a long time) if it hadn't started off with what is at best a dreadful
misunderstanding.

Properly maintaining a piece of software like Emacs over a long period
is hard to do on a volunteer basis.  I did it with my version for three
years and nearly destroyed my chances to graduate.  I spent a long time
trying to find a new maintainer (either commercial or public domain).
I found no one willing to maintain it in the public domain and provide
the quality and the commitment that I thought was necessary.  I talked
with quite a few companies, and by far the best was Unipress.  They may
prostitute their souls for a dollar, but they do a pretty good job of
looking after Emacs.

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