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From: tele...@eecs.nwu.edu (TELECOM Moderator)
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Subject: AT&T Sourcecode: Poison!
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The news on the street is that there is more to the Jolnet stink than
has been previously revealed --
We're told by a deep-throat type that AT&T is on the war path about
their software, and that 3b2 people in particular are targeted for
'counseling' and whatever corrective action is deemed necessary by
'the authorities'.
So the story on the street goes, another prominent netter was arrested
just recently by the same friendly folks who shut down Jolnet not long
ago. Like jolnet, netsys went down abruptly, with *everything*
confiscated, including a box of old busted up circuit boards in the
basement which hadn't been looked at in years. Now comes news that
attcdc, formerly known as killer went off line in a hurry.....
When 'the authorities' come a-calling, with warrant in hand, and their
credentials in order, they start looking for Mother's source code; 3b2
stuff and the like, and they keep looking until they find it.
You say they won't come knocking at your door? You say you'll take it
all off line and store it on a reel of tape stashed in the back of the
bottom drawer of an old file cabinet somewhere? They *will* find it.
And when they find it, your choices will be:
1) You stole this from AT&T. You are a cracker. You'll go to jail.
2) If you didn't steal it from AT&T, then someone gave it to you.
Tell us who.... if you won't tell us, then go back to choice 1.
If you will snitch, and tell us who gave you this code, then
the Court will be lenient and show mercy upon you -- but we
won't put that in writing of course! :)
Faced with these two options, of course everyone selects choice 2. And
with the new information gleaned from the visit, another site is
scheduled for downtime.
Consider Rich Andrews of Jolnet: Our deep-throat says Rich was first
confronted in the 911 software caper, then the feds found other
goodies. Could it be the feds started squeezing in a private place
and Rich started singing the tune they wanted to hear? Do crackers
stick together when times get tough or do they turn on each other?
You just never know about these things. Some people have been saying
the only safe thing to do at this point is 'rm illegal.software'; go
wash their hands and be done with it, but far be it from me to suggest
such a thing. That could be construed as an obstruction of justice in
what appears now to be an on-going investigation in our net community
of people whose systems are dirty....
Jolnet ===> netsys ===> attcdc (killer) ===> your 3b2 site name here.
Patrick Townson
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From: la063...@zach.fit.edu (Bill Huttig)
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Subject: Re: AT&T Sourcecode: Poison!
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I thought killer was already closed down for the AT&T source code thing a
couple years back. When it came back online it became attcdc.
Bill
[Moderator's Note: You thought correctly, however it is down again, as
of a few days ago. Wondering why? Maybe I will have some answers, in
the form of comments by Mike Andrews in a day or so. PT]
From: Chip Rosenthal <c...@chinacat.lonestar.org>
Subject: Re: AT&T Sourcecode: Poison!
Date: 3 Mar 90 00:00:00 GMT
Organization: Unicom Systems Development, Austin (yay!)
[Moderator's Note: Original date of 2/25 changed to prevent premature
expiration. PT]
You've got a lot of nerve, Patrick.
tele...@eecs.nwu.edu (TELECOM Moderator) writes:
>We're told by a deep-throat type that AT&T is on the war path about
>their software [...] Like jolnet, netsys went down abruptly, with
>*everything* confiscated [...] Now comes news that attcdc [sic], formerly
>known as killer went off line in a hurry.....
Yessir, after all your complaints about that about anonymous Legion of
Doom message, this is a really crummy thing to post. Based upon
unattributed conversations, you imply that Len Rose and Charlie Boykin
were involved in wrongdoing which lead to the shutdown of their
systems.
I don't know Len personally, but have had uucp connections with him in
the past. Charlie, on the other hand, I do know personally. He is
very well regarded in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, and was voted "1989
DFW Administrator of the Year" by the DFW lunch-bunch...errr....DFW
Association of Unix System Administrators.
You have cast some crummy aspersions towards these guys. Since I know
them, I will wait for the facts to come in. Others who don't know
them could very well jump to conclusions on the basis of this posting.
Was this message really called for?
Chip Rosenthal | Yes, you're a happy man and you're
c...@chinacat.Lonestar.ORG | a lucky man, but are you a smart
Unicom Systems Development, 512-482-8260 | man? -David Bromberg