Newsgroups: news.admin Path: sparky!uunet!spooky!witr From: w...@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow) Subject: News requires redesign and re-implementation Message-ID: <1992Apr3.175925.27388@rwwa.COM> Sender: n...@rwwa.COM (News Administrator) Nntp-Posting-Host: spooky Reply-To: w...@rwwa.com Organization: R.W. Withrow Associates Distribution: usa Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1992 17:59:25 GMT This latest spate of foolishness, following years of intermittent incidents of similar foolishness, has convinced me that continued incremental development of the current news architecture is wasted effort. ``news'' needs to be redesigned with security and authority as *primary* objectives. The cumulative savings in time and effort across the net resulting from the introduction of a news system that made impossible, or nearly so, forgeries, sendsys bombings, leakages, stale news floods, mis-directed distributions, and all of the other things the current system gives us, would be truly astounding. No, I am not volenteering. -- --- Robert Withrow, R.W. Withrow Associates, Swampscott MA 01907 USA Tel: +1 617 598 4480, Fax: +1 617 598 4430, Net: w...@rwwa.COM
Newsgroups: news.admin Path: sparky!uunet!world!geoff From: ge...@world.std.com (Geoff Collyer) Subject: Re: News requires redesign and re-implementation Message-ID: <BM5qLo.HG8@world.std.com> Organization: Software Tool & Die Netnews Research Center References: <1992Apr3.175925.27388@rwwa.COM> Distribution: na Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 00:27:23 GMT Robert Withrow: >``news'' needs to be redesigned with security and authority as *primary* >objectives. I think you are overreacting, but if you can find us a fast, unpatented, unbroken, exportable, reversible, public-key cryptosystem, we'll be delighted to use it. -- Geoff Collyer world.std.com!geoff, uunet.uu.net!geoff
Newsgroups: news.admin Path: sparky!uunet!iWarp.intel.com|news From: mer...@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: News requires redesign and re-implementation In-Reply-To: witr@rwwa.COM (Robert Withrow) Message-ID: <1992Apr4.030956.4996@iWarp.intel.com> Sender: n...@iWarp.intel.com Nntp-Posting-Host: v.iwarp.intel.com Reply-To: mer...@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Organization: Stonehenge; netaccess via Intel, Beaverton, Oregon, USA References: <1992Apr3.175925.27388@rwwa.COM> Distribution: usa Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1992 03:09:56 GMT In article <1992Apr3.175925.27...@rwwa.COM>, witr@rwwa (Robert Withrow) writes: | This latest spate of foolishness, following years of intermittent | incidents of similar foolishness, has convinced me that continued | incremental development of the current news architecture is wasted | effort. ``news'' needs to be redesigned with security and authority | as *primary* objectives. | | The cumulative savings in time and effort across the net resulting | from the introduction of a news system that made impossible, or | nearly so, forgeries, sendsys bombings, leakages, stale news floods, | mis-directed distributions, and all of the other things the current | system gives us, would be truly astounding. IMMINENT DEATH OF USENET PREDICTED. [again. :-] (Who has that post that codified this phrase, with the history of Usenet from day 2 onward, including the uses of this phrase? Email, please. Thanks.) Just another old-time usenetter (from waaay back in 1980), -- /=Randal L. Schwartz, Stonehenge Consulting Services (503)777-0095 ==========\ | on contract to Intel's iWarp project, Beaverton, Oregon, USA, Sol III | | mer...@iwarp.intel.com ...!any-MX-mailer-like-uunet!iwarp.intel.com!merlyn | \=Cute Quote: "Intel: putting the 'backward' in 'backward compatible'..."====/
Path: sparky!uunet!usc!sdd.hp.com!network.ucsd.edu!weber.ucsd.edu!bjones From: bjo...@weber.ucsd.edu (Bruce Jones) Newsgroups: news.admin Subject: Sifting thru old news Date: 6 Apr 1992 19:53:36 GMT Organization: U.C.S.D. Department of Communication Lines: 41 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <ku1b20INNme@network.ucsd.edu> References: <1992Apr3.175925.27388@rwwa.COM> <1992Apr4.030956.4996@iWarp.intel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: weber.ucsd.edu In article <1992Apr4.030956.4...@iWarp.intel.com> mer...@iWarp.intel.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: > >IMMINENT DEATH OF USENET PREDICTED. > >[again. :-] > >(Who has that post that codified this phrase, with the history of >Usenet from day 2 onward, including the uses of this phrase? I "probably" have this article/post. Several months ago I received 12 full magtapes of news from 1982 to 1986 or so from the good folks at CFRI/Toronto and have been busily and happily rooting around in the files ever since. The problems of sorting thru all this news however are more daunting than I imagined. There's 2gb of news there and I have about 160mb of diskspace to use to sort it. This is enough space to make a dd tape dump and run tar against it to extract the files a few at a time (there's not enough inodes on this machine to dump an old news tape with tar). What I need is some kind of search engine/"knowbot" that I could prime with a few, well-chosen words/strings that would run with tar as the primary extraction utility and find the appropriate articles. (Does this make any sense? I'm not too sure of my terms here.) Given that my programming experience is limited to writing shell scripts, I'd appreciate some advice/help from those of you out there who know a bit about awk and C. Anyone have any advice or programs that I could use or modify to find articles about specific things? If so, and I can locate the articles in the database, I'd be happy to repost them somewhere where others can see/retrieve them. Anyone out there care to see the first use of the smiley face or the article, mentioned above, where the phrase "iminent death of the net predicted" was first used? Bruce Jones Graduate Program in Communication bjo...@ucsd.edu/bitnet University of California, San Diego (619) 534-0417/4410 9500 Gilman Drive FAX (619) 534-7315 La Jolla, Ca. 92093-0503 -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=- -=-