From dlehn@vt.edu Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:57:13 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:57:13 -0500 (EST)
From: David I. Lehn dlehn@vt.edu
Subject: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
I own the machine that hosts the LinuxDVD site. I got the attached
letter today (converted to text from a MS Word doc ...).
http://linuxdvd.corepower.com/ just has links and a mailing list. =20
I've asked for clarification about what content is infringing on
copyrights. It looks like this was sent to 3 other unlisted sites
too.
Thoughts?
-dave
---
David I. Lehn <dlehn@vt.edu> | http://www.corepower.com/~dlehn/
Computer Engineering Graduate @ Virginia Tech in sunny Blacksburg, VA
=09=09=09=09=09=09=09November 10, 1999
Mr. David Lehn
Corepower.Com
461-B E. Roanoke Street
Blacksburg, VA 24060
Dlehn@vt.edu
=09=09=09
=09Re:=09Unauthorized Distribution of Copyrighted Motion Pictures
=09=09Linuxdvd.corepower.com
=09=09MPAA #5-671
Dear Mr. Lehn:
=09Sargoy, Stein, Rosen & Shapiro represents and is authorized to
act on behalf of the following copyright owners:
=20
Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc.
Disney Enterprises, Inc.
Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc.
Paramount Pictures Corporation
TriStar Pictures, Inc.
Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
United Artists Pictures, Inc.
United Artists Corporation
Universal City Studios, Inc.
Warner Bros., a Division of=20
Time Warner Entertainment Company, L.P.
=09We have received information that at the above four addresses
there have been offers to sell unauthorized DVD copies of our clients
copyrighted motion pictures, and offers to provide instructions on
defeating DVD encryption so that illegal copies of DVDs can be made.
=09These activities constitute infringement of the exclusive
rights to make copies and to distribute copies; and constitute an
infringement of copyright by offering goods or services which are
primarily designed to circumvent technological protection measures. =20
United States Copyright Act 17 U.S.C. =A7106 and =A71201.
=09We request that you immediately terminate this individual's
account with your service. We would also request that you advise us
of the name and physical address of the person operating this site.
You may contact me as follows:
=09Harvey Shapiro
=09Sargoy, Stein, Rosen & Shapiro
=091790 Broadway, 19th floor
=09New York, NY 10019-1412
=09(212) 581-2222
=09(212) 581-2755 (Fax)
=09hshapiro@sargoy.com
=09On behalf of the respective owners of the exclusive rights to
the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, I hereby state that
I have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner
complained of is not authorized by the copyright owners, their
respective agents, or the law.
=09I hereby state, under penalty of perjury under the laws of New
York and under the laws of the United States, that the information in
this notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that this
law firm is authorized to act on behalf of the owners of an exclusive
rights which are being infringed as set out in this notification.
We thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Your prompt
response is requested so that the illegal infringing activity can be
stopped.
Please telephone or write to me if you have any questions.
Very truly yours,
Harvey Shapiro
cc: Mikhail Reider, MPAA
From jean@kcco.com Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:14:33 -0600 (CST)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 14:14:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Jean Liddle jean@kcco.com
Subject: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
On 10 Nov, David I. Lehn wrote:
> I own the machine that hosts the LinuxDVD site. I got the attached
> letter today (converted to text from a MS Word doc ...).
> http://linuxdvd.corepower.com/ just has links and a mailing list.
> I've asked for clarification about what content is infringing on
> copyrights. It looks like this was sent to 3 other unlisted sites
> too.
>
> Thoughts?
It seems to me that at least two things need to happen ASAP:
#1 Move the mailing list and CVS site to a friendly country, where
lawyers like these have limited (and perhaps no) ability to harass
mailing list hosts, cvs contributors, and the like. Possibilities such
as finland, the netherlands (xs4all.com),possibly germany or norway come
to mind. It would be nice to get legal confirmation, but perhaps
making the move in a timely matter takes precedence if reasonable
confidence exists that the target location is safe. So cvs checkouts
and checkins take a few minutes longer from this (the american) side of
the pond ... well worth it I think.
#2 We need some kind of firm legal advice. So far I've had no luck
contacting my attourney friends, and suspect they won't be a great deal
of help anyway as copyright is not their specialty. I'll keep trying,
but I suggest others do the same in their respective countries. I'm
getting back up to speed on gpg -- I used pgp years ago, then got lazy.
I suggest others do the same.
AFAIK you are legally safe (this is, after all, free speach when they
start attacking lists and people's discussions of algorithms). Of
course, that doesn't really help on the financial end of things, which
is cleary how these scumbags are attempting to make you and others
suffer (or at least fear) in this attack. I was afraid they would try
and attack lines of communication this way. :-( I am not a lawyer
either, so the preceding is my semi-informed opinion only.
Anyone know anybody at the EFF, FSF, or in the Law profession who might
be willing to help?
BTW - In what country is the CVS / livid server located? The US?
From alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:14:57 +0000 (GMT)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:14:57 +0000 (GMT)
From: Alan Cox alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
> account with your service. We would also request that you advise us
> of the name and physical address of the person operating this site.
This says it all. It isnt about legality its corporate terrorism. It isnt
about shutting down sites its about harrasing their owners.
The sooner someone in a country with first amendmant rights submits the
entire how CSS works stuff to a magazine the better.
Alan
From alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:16:30 +0000 (GMT)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:16:30 +0000 (GMT)
From: Alan Cox alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk
Subject: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
> Anyone know anybody at the EFF, FSF, or in the Law profession who might
> be willing to help?
Gilmore is probably the man to contact.
Alan
From mpav@purdue.edu Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:40:01 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:40:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew R. Pavlovich mpav@purdue.edu
Subject: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
> It seems to me that at least two things need to happen ASAP:
>
> #1 Move the mailing list and CVS site to a friendly country, where
> lawyers like these have limited (and perhaps no) ability to harass
> mailing list hosts, cvs contributors, and the like. Possibilities such
> as finland, the netherlands (xs4all.com),possibly germany or norway come
> to mind. It would be nice to get legal confirmation, but perhaps
> making the move in a timely matter takes precedence if reasonable
> confidence exists that the target location is safe. So cvs checkouts
> and checkins take a few minutes longer from this (the american) side of
> the pond ... well worth it I think.
CVS is currently being backed up off site (rsync), and can be quickly
moved to any friendly location. The mailing list shouldn't be a problem,
but on the side of caution suggest we find a place for it, too.
> getting back up to speed on gpg -- I used pgp years ago, then got lazy.
> I suggest others do the same.
The hard part will be insuring who is included in the key circle. We have
limited ways of verification.
> Anyone know anybody at the EFF, FSF, or in the Law profession who might
> be willing to help?
We definitely need this.
> BTW - In what country is the CVS / livid server located? The US?
U.S. its being hosted by VA.
From albert.garrido@bellatlantic.com Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:51:27 -0500
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:51:27 -0500
From: Albert Garrido albert.garrido@bellatlantic.com
Subject: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
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Alan Cox wrote:
> The sooner someone in a country with first amendmant rights submits the
> entire how CSS works stuff to a magazine the better.
I know this might not be the best avenue, as they publish quarterly.
But,
under the circumstances. They would probably go ahead and print
something
that has such a horrible spectre leering over it.
General Address:
2600 Magazine
P.O. Box 752
Middle Island, NY 11953
Telephone: 516-751-2600
Fax: 516/474-2677
Voice BBS: 516-473-2626
Letter and Article Submissions:
2600
PO Box 99
Middle Island, NY 11953-0099
USA
Letters: letters@2600.com
Articles: articles@2600.com
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From mpav@purdue.edu Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:43:32 -0500 (EST)
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:43:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Matthew R. Pavlovich mpav@purdue.edu
Subject: [LinuxDVD] Re: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
> The sooner someone in a country with first amendmant rights submits the
> entire how CSS works stuff to a magazine the better.
I'd like to get some verification on how clean doing something like this
would be. It seems like an excellent way to defend everyone. No
copyright law would dare try and fight The Constitution.
Anyone with friends in the press? Let's start getting the real story to
the public.
Matthew R. Pavlovich
From declan@wired.com Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:53:53 -0500
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:53:53 -0500
From: Declan McCullagh declan@wired.com
Subject: [LinuxDVD] Re: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
At 15:43 11/10/1999 -0500, Matthew R. Pavlovich wrote:
>Anyone with friends in the press?
Folks on this list are sure doing a good job trying to win friends among
members of the media.
-Declan
From greg@linuxpower.cx Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:40:11 -0500
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:40:11 -0500
From: Greg Maxwell greg@linuxpower.cx
Subject: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
"David I. Lehn" wrote:
>=20
> I own the machine that hosts the LinuxDVD site. I got the attached
> letter today (converted to text from a MS Word doc ...).
> http://linuxdvd.corepower.com/ just has links and a mailing list.
> I've asked for clarification about what content is infringing on
> copyrights. It looks like this was sent to 3 other unlisted sites
> too.
Intresting:
" We have received information that at the above four addresses
there have been offers to sell unauthorized DVD copies of our clients
copyrighted motion pictures..."<snip>
Then
" I hereby state, under penalty of perjury under the laws of New
York and under the laws of the United States, that the information in
this notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that this
law firm is authorized to act on behalf of the owners of an exclusive
rights which are being infringed as set out in this notification."
Very nice, how do we begin bringing charges for the above obvious lie?
>=20
> Thoughts?
>=20
> -dave
> ---
> David I. Lehn < lehn@vt.edu> | http://www.corepower.com/~dlehn/
> Computer Engineering Graduate @ Virginia Tech in sunny Blacksburg, VA
>=20
> November 10, 19=
99
> Mr. David Lehn
> Corepower.Com
> 461-B E. Roanoke Street
> Blacksburg, VA 24060
> Dlehn@vt.edu
>=20
> Re: Unauthorized Distribution of Copyrighted Motion Picture=
s
> Linuxdvd.corepower.com
> MPAA #5-671
>=20
> Dear Mr. Lehn:
>=20
> Sargoy, Stein, Rosen & Shapiro represents and is authorized to
> act on behalf of the following copyright owners:
>=20
> Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc.
> Disney Enterprises, Inc.
> Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc.
> Paramount Pictures Corporation
> TriStar Pictures, Inc.
> Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation
> United Artists Pictures, Inc.
> United Artists Corporation
> Universal City Studios, Inc.
> Warner Bros., a Division of
> Time Warner Entertainment Company, L.P.
>=20
> We have received information that at the above four addresses
> there have been offers to sell unauthorized DVD copies of our clients
> copyrighted motion pictures, and offers to provide instructions on
> defeating DVD encryption so that illegal copies of DVDs can be made.
>=20
> These activities constitute infringement of the exclusive
> rights to make copies and to distribute copies; and constitute an
> infringement of copyright by offering goods or services which are
> primarily designed to circumvent technological protection measures.
> United States Copyright Act 17 U.S.C. =A7106 and =A71201.
>=20
> We request that you immediately terminate this individual's
> account with your service. We would also request that you advise us
> of the name and physical address of the person operating this site.
>=20
> You may contact me as follows:
>=20
> Harvey Shapiro
> Sargoy, Stein, Rosen & Shapiro
> 1790 Broadway, 19th floor
> New York, NY 10019-1412
> (212) 581-2222
> (212) 581-2755 (Fax)
> hshapiro@sargoy.com
>=20
> On behalf of the respective owners of the exclusive rights to
> the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, I hereby state that
> I have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner
> complained of is not authorized by the copyright owners, their
> respective agents, or the law.
>=20
> I hereby state, under penalty of perjury under the laws of New
> York and under the laws of the United States, that the information in
> this notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury, that this
> law firm is authorized to act on behalf of the owners of an exclusive
> rights which are being infringed as set out in this notification.
>=20
> We thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Your prompt
> response is requested so that the illegal infringing activity can be
> stopped.
>=20
> Please telephone or write to me if you have any questions.
>=20
> Very truly yours,
>=20
> Harvey Shapiro
>=20
> cc: Mikhail Reider, MPAA
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Livid-dev maillist - Livid-dev@livid.on.openprojects.net
> http://livid.on.openprojects.net/mailman/listinfo/livid-dev
From crow@debian.org Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:24:01 -0600
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:24:01 -0600
From: Stephen Crowley crow@debian.org
Subject: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 03:40:01PM -0500, Matthew R. Pavlovich wrote:
> > It seems to me that at least two things need to happen ASAP:
> >
> > #1 Move the mailing list and CVS site to a friendly country, where
> > lawyers like these have limited (and perhaps no) ability to harass
> > mailing list hosts, cvs contributors, and the like. Possibilities such
> > as finland, the netherlands (xs4all.com),possibly germany or norway come
> > to mind. It would be nice to get legal confirmation, but perhaps
> > making the move in a timely matter takes precedence if reasonable
> > confidence exists that the target location is safe. So cvs checkouts
> > and checkins take a few minutes longer from this (the american) side of
> > the pond ... well worth it I think.
>
> CVS is currently being backed up off site (rsync), and can be quickly
> moved to any friendly location. The mailing list shouldn't be a problem,
> but on the side of caution suggest we find a place for it, too.
>
> > getting back up to speed on gpg -- I used pgp years ago, then got lazy.
> > I suggest others do the same.
>
> The hard part will be insuring who is included in the key circle. We have
> limited ways of verification.
>
Phone calls are better than nothing, but we definately need to start using
gpg, my key is available via 'finger crow@debian.org >
blah.asc | gpg --import blah.asc'
> > Anyone know anybody at the EFF, FSF, or in the Law profession who might
> > be willing to help?
>
> We definitely need this.
>
> > BTW - In what country is the CVS / livid server located? The US?
>
> U.S. its being hosted by VA.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Livid-dev maillist - Livid-dev@livid.on.openprojects.net
> http://livid.on.openprojects.net/mailman/listinfo/livid-dev
From greg@linuxpower.cx Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:01:59 -0500
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 18:01:59 -0500
From: Greg Maxwell greg@linuxpower.cx
Subject: [Livid-dev] [Fwd: Linuxdvd.corepower.com]
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Hmm.. I dont think my life is exciting enough.
Anyone else feel some excitement?
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 17:59:41 -0500
From: Greg Maxwell < greg@linuxpower.cx>
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Hi! You sent an email to Mr. David Lehn who owns the computer hosting
http://linuxdvd.corepower.com/.
In your email you allege that:
A) "there have been offers to sell unauthorized DVD copies of our
clients
copyrighted motion pictures"
and
B) "and offers to provide instructions on defeating DVD encryption so
that illegal copies of DVDs can be made."
While I can not comprehend the first statement (A), I believe I know
what software (instructions) you are referring to. I have never seen
anyone (or that site or any other) making offers to transmit, copy, or
otherwise diseminate illegal copies of movies or any other media. Such
illegial activities would certantly be against the purpose of that site.
If you are referring to the css-auth package for Linux, which decrypts
the weak CSS encryption used by DVDs, then I have something to say.
The CSS-auth software was not created with the intention that it be used
to make illegal copies of DVD movies. It was designed to allow the
playback of DVD movies under the linux operating system. Currently, this
software is only useful for playback, and other fair use purposes.
However, it could be coupled with other software (which I do not believe
has been written) and hardware (which I do not believe is yet available)
to make illegial copies of movies, but I do not know why someone would
do such a thing.
I am writing you because I operate a site which provides access to the
same css-auth package, free of charge, to any party intrested in access
to the encoded DVD data for playback or other fair use purposes.
My site is http://www.linuxpower.cx/~greg/css/
I operate the site, it's content, and the internet link it's on.
I will NOT remove the css-auth data except under court order, and I
*WILL* press charges if you attempt to harass me by making bogus threats
to my upstream provider.
Since I placed the site online, there have been over 300 downloads of
this data, and there are probably a lot of other sites out there just
like it.
I don't know anything about your first charge (a), but if you are going
to take someone to court over providing the css-auth package, I suggest
you drag me in too.
I wouldn't be supprised if you got a number of other emails like this.
BTW-
My contact info is:
Gregory F. Maxwell
3010 S. Kanner HWY
Stuart FL, 34994
561-287-6362
greg@linuxpower.cx
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From crow@debian.org Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:26:26 -0600
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 20:26:26 -0600
From: Stephen Crowley crow@debian.org
Subject: [LinuxDVD] Re: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 03:53:53PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
> At 15:43 11/10/1999 -0500, Matthew R. Pavlovich wrote:
> >Anyone with friends in the press?
>
> Folks on this list are sure doing a good job trying to win friends among
> members of the media.
>
I don't think anyone was talking about you, they meant real journalists.
> -Declan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Livid-dev maillist - Livid-dev@livid.on.openprojects.net
> http://livid.on.openprojects.net/mailman/listinfo/livid-dev
From andreas@andreas.org 11 Nov 1999 15:32:16 +0100
Date: 11 Nov 1999 15:32:16 +0100
From: Andreas Bogk andreas@andreas.org
Subject: [LinuxDVD] Re: [Livid-dev] More legal trouble
"Matthew R. Pavlovich" <mpav@purdue.edu> writes:
> Anyone with friends in the press? Let's start getting the real story to
> the public.
I've been offered to write an article for the German computer magazine
c't. Given the recent events, I'll probably do this.
Andreas
--
"We should be willing to look at the source code we produce not as the
end product of a more interesting process, but as an artifact in its
own right. It should look good stuck up on the wall."
-- http://www.ftech.net/~honeyg/progstone/progstone.html
From techt@pikeonline.net Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:02:53 -0500
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 14:02:53 -0500
From: techt techt@pikeonline.net
Subject: [Livid-dev] [Fwd: DVD CSS and freedom of the press]
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Hello,
Based on the posts which recommend publishing the CSS findings
in the
US media, I've taken the liberty to contact Emmanuel Goldstein
(emmanuel@2600.com), the editor of 2600 magazine. Attached is his
reply.
Since 2600 is a technically oriented magazine, one would have no problem
publishing both a description of CSS and example code.
Someone should start writing the article for 2600 NOW. Preferably, it
would be someone who is more familiar with the workings of CSS than
myself. If no one else will do it, however, I will. But, I must stress
I think it would be done better if someone else who has been working
with CSS does it. (I've just been lurking here since the end of
September/beginning of October -- but I've archived all posts in that
time having to do with CSS.)
Sincerely,
techt
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we're currently putting together our winter issue - we would consider
adding such an article because of its timeliness but it would have to
be submitted rather soon - like within a week. this is a battle that
we're certainly interested in fighting and a big expose in our pages
would be a good start. please let others know and keep us updated. thanks
emmanuel
On Wed, Nov 10, 1999 at 05:14:46PM -0500, techt wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm not sure if you're aware of the recent attempt of the motion
> picture industry to shut down and silence the developers of open source
> DVD players for Linux. Within the past month some Linux developers and
> members of MoRE (Masters of Reverse Engineering) figured out how the DVD
> encryption system, the Content Scrambling System, works via reverse
> engineering a windows DVD player (Xing).
>
> Most commercial DVDs are encrypted. In order to play back the contents
> of an encrypted DVD, one must unlock the DVD with a valid 40-bit key.
> The DVD consoritum assigns keys to developers of players once they have
> signed an NDA and parted with several thousands of dollars for
> licenseing.
>
> The Linux developers, being hobbyists, couldn't afford the fees. Also,
> an NDA goes against the basic principles of free (speech) software so
> instead they examined CSS encryption. The encryption implementation was
> found to be extremely weak and full of holes. Basically, it was found
> that one could easily generate a valid key, and thus unlock a scrambled
> DVD for playback, in just a few seconds.
>
> The Motion Picture Industry (specifically the law firm Sargoy, Stein,
> Rosen & Shapiro on behalf of Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc., Disney
> Enterprises, Inc., Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures
> Corporation, TriStar Pictures, Inc., Twentieth Century Fox Film
> Corporation, United Artists Pictures, Inc., United Artists Corporation,
> Universal City Studios, Inc., and Warner Bros., a Division of Time
> Warner Entertainment Company, L.P.) is now shuting down all sites which
> have any information on unlocking DVDs under the guise of piracy.
>
> This information should not be lost. It has been brought up on the
> Linux DVD developer mailing list that someone should publish their CSS
> findings in the US media (2600 was mentioned) so it would be protected
> under the first admendment. Hopefully, someone better qualified than
> myself will be contacting or already has contacted your magazine to
> publish the findings of the Linux DVD developers and MoRE. However, if
> none of those who put in their hard work to figure out the CSS
> encryption information contact you for publication within the next month
> or so, I would be willing to write the article. But, again, I will only
> be willing to write the article if and only if no one else does so.
>
> Sincerely,
> techt
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