HUG-1 Minutes (and Hours) of our HUGE meeting ;-)

Richard Higson

Feb 12, 2001

Hi People,

HUG-1 - The Hercules Users Group (Europe) first meeting was held on
Saturday 10 Feb 2001 12:00 in Guetersloh, Germany.

It was our first Real-Life meeting, in the premises of syskoplan AG
Germany.

The following people managed to find their way to our old Villa.

Willem Konynenberg Amsterdam
Wolfgang Schaefer Uerdingen
Axel Schwarzer Duesseldorf
Heiner Heitlaender Guetersloh
Peter Schulte-Stracke Olpe
Lanny R Andersson Frankfurt
Richard Higson Guetersloh

A few people missed it, or got lost, or wrote to say they couldn't make it.
##Michael Koehne Bremen
##Sebastian Welton Darmstadt
##Leo Janus Guetersloh
##Klaus.Bouschen Guetersloh
##Vladimir Faizoulaev Neuss (Taxi driver drove him to the wrong building)

Talk ranged through so many different subjects, that we seemed to
cover the last 30 years of computing history in one afternoon.

Here are just a few of the points I managed to jot down during the
course of the afternoon, and later at the Chinese Restaurant:

* the differences between the various versions, 1.71, 2.10d

* VM RSCS and BITNET
* NEED: further knowledge on BITNET

* Role of Herculeans also as active "Keepers of old skills" / Historians
* German "Denkmalschutz" (would that be "National Monuments" in English?)
* what was that saying about:
You don't know where you're going if you don't know where you came from.

* "CTC" between Herculii on different Linux boxen
* Cross-platform CTC (multiple VSE or VM with RSCS/POWER/JES over CTC)?
* interaction between uucp/uux and RSCS or other spooling systems?

* herculii printing to lpq spool queues instead of files

* BS2000, "4-state" supervisor
* VM2000
* what changes would be needed to support these in Hercules?
* how to approach Siemens for "Hobbyist License"?

* the 43xx Series and ECPS support to address 16MB directly
DAT support done "in the firmware?" - Documentation? Implementation?
Guest could handle 16MB without needing DAT support

* attempts at bringing up DOS
device recognition (1052/3278/3277) (telnet/tn3270)

* HASP, Tom Simpson, 370H-TX-001
History and Geneology of JES
* ALGOL60
* PL360 from Stanford
* Standford University's first Tape-Only Operating System for S/360

* Emulations in common practice
* BUS/TAG ESCON FICON
* SCSI over IP
* IP over SCSI
* SCSI over Fiber channel
* Fiber Channel over IP
* any_to_any_as_long_as_it_goes_through_a_Cisco ;-)

* What about the ESER systems - MVT, SVS (VS2 rel 1), DOS
from "countries that used to be behind the Iron Curtain."
* Could we get/distribute them?
* Would we want to?
* What are the legalities?
* There is possibly a Czechoslovakian DOS4 with Multiple Address Spaces?
* a "super-national" issue - would need international legal skills
* very sensitive issue on any side - needs diplomacy
* General Agreement:
1) HUG people will not net-publish copyrighted or unclear-ownership
material
2) "published" software should
a) carry some form of "pedigree"
b) carry some form of "integrity-check" after download (MD5, zip, tar)
c) pgp/gpg signatures possibly too confusing for "some"
d) consequences of a "public-upload-area"

* General Agreement:
* Hercules must retain it's platform independance
* should not degenerate to an "Intel-only" just to get more speed
* is being actively used on alpha, PPC, Intel, S/390, ( others?)
* ./configure && make && make install would be Nice_to_Have[tm]

* Cross-Referencing
* could the Kernel crossreferencing tool like http://lxr.linux.no/
be used to generate generic XREF.html for ?
* MVS Sources
* VM Sources
* PTF lists
* Hercules Source itself?

* Value of hercules to "teach yourself howto drive" without crashing the
Production/Test Systems beyond repair:-)
* How to make a "Hobbyist License" for "single-user, educational,
non-commercial" something that IBM (Siemens, others) would find beneficial
* improving Mindshare, Community, personal skills
* availability of skilled, dedicated people helps promote products?

* Thanks to Axel for the "Hercules-User-Group A4-picture"
* Thanks to syskoplan AG for a room out of the cold and a gallon of coffee.

* This wasn't the last HUGE meeting - there will be others.

* A suggestion that we should call ourselves
* HUGE (Hercules Users Group Europe)

//rhi
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bridges on bungee cords and cycle down cliffs. (Alan Cox)
Have a nice day ;-) Richard Higson mailto:richard.higson@...

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