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From: Greg Robinson <ixnay.amspay.bosco@VISI.COM>
Subject: RFD: comp.os.linux.s390
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group comp.os.linux.s390
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.s390. This is
not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
details are below.
Newsgroup line:
comp.os.linux.s390 Discussion of Linux on S/390 and zSeries systems
RATIONALE: comp.os.linux.s390
Technical discussion regarding installing, configuring, compiling, and
operating Linux and Linux applications specifically on IBM S/390 and
zSeries mainframe platforms.
Discussion may also include device driver, software and application
porting or programming issues specific to Linux on the S/390 and
zSeries platforms.
The group comp.os.linux.s390 deals with issues concerning the growing
base of Linux installations on the IBM S/390 and zSeries mainframe
platforms. The group is open to discussing all topics related to Linux
operations on the S/390 and zSeries mainframe platforms which are not
currently easily addressed by the existing hierarchy of
comp.os.linux.[architecture], comp.os.linux.[distribution] or
comp.os.linux.misc groups.
The relevant mailing list, linux-390@vm.marist.edu, appears to have
enough traffic to warrant creation of the new group, based upon the
10+ messages per day convention mentioned in the FAQ "Gathering
Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups".
CHARTER: comp.os.linux.s390
1. Technical discussion regarding installing, configuring, compiling,
and operating Linux and Linux applications specifically on IBM S/390
and zSeries mainframe platforms.
2. Discussion may also include device driver, software and application
porting or programming issues specific to Linux on the S/390 and
zSeries platforms.
3. This is a technical discussion group with subscribers using many
different operating systems, platforms and news clients. All postings
should be in plain ASCII text, and remain on-topic relative to the
charter and rationale of the newsgroup.
4. Binary files may not be posted to this discussion group. If you
feel you must post binaries, please arrange for them to be available
at an FTP/web site. A short announcement describing the nature of the
binary and the address where it may be accessed is welcome
5. Announcements of conferences, seminars, user groups and meetings
devoted wholly or mainly to Linux on S/390 and zSeries platforms are
welcomed and encouraged. As are short announcements of new books,
guides, online forums, mailing lists and web sites specifically
on-topic.
6. Commercial announcements or "plugs" for products are not
appropriate, but short announcements of the URLs of commercial Web
sites carrying details of products related to the purposes of the
newsgroup are acceptable. A specific recommendation of a particular
product as a solution to a problem is acceptable.
7. Short announcements of on-topic job vacancies or job searches in
this group area are acceptable.
8. Normally, postings should be signed and include a valid return
address. However it is recognized that there may be legitimate reasons
for on-topic postings via anonymous remailers. e.g., if a matter is
commercially sensitive, or may jeopardize one's employment status.
9. Questions and discussion from users of Linux on S/390 or zSeries
systems with any level of experience are welcomed. Because subscribers
of this group have widely varying levels of expertise on the topic,
all discussion is expected to be courteous. Answers to questions
should be as helpful as possible.
10. Excessively long off-topic discussions and posts discussing
political, religious and social views or opinions are not acceptable.
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.os.linux.misc,
comp.os.linux.announce, comp.os.linux.powerpc, alt.os.linux,
alt.os.linux.mandrake, alt.os.linux.redhat, alt.os.linux.slackware,
alt.os.linux.suse, comp.os.linux.alpha,
comp.os.linux.development.system, comp.os.linux.hardware,
comp.os.linux.m68k, comp.os.linux.setup, comp.os.linux.networking,
news.redhat.com:gated.redhat-s390-list, linux-390@vm.marist.edu
Proponent: Greg Robinson <bosco@visi.com>
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Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.s390
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Pardon my ignorance in this matter, but what's the point? We already have a
great group here and I would personally prefer a single point of discussion.
Do newsgroups work any way like mailing lists such that messages are mass
emailed to members?
On Thursday 18 April 2002 09:05 am, you wrote:
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group comp.os.linux.s390
>
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
> world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.s390. This is
> not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
> details are below.
>
> Newsgroup line:
> comp.os.linux.s390 Discussion of Linux on S/390 and zSeries systems
>
> RATIONALE: comp.os.linux.s390
>
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On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 10:14:57AM -0500, Rich Smrcina wrote:
> Pardon my ignorance in this matter, but what's the point? We already have a
> great group here and I would personally prefer a single point of discussion.
> Do newsgroups work any way like mailing lists such that messages are mass
> emailed to members?
No. Newsgroups are pull media, to use a neologism, rather than push media:
you read the articles you're interested in, instead of having all fo them
sent to you and ignoring those you don't want to read.
I think they're better for high-activity groups than email, as they allow
you to handle not being able to get to them for a while (like, say, when
you're on vacation) much more gracefully than having your mailbox explode.
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That's pretty much what I thought... thanks for the clarification.
On Thursday 18 April 2002 10:26 am, you wrote:
>
> No. Newsgroups are pull media, to use a neologism, rather than push media:
> you read the articles you're interested in, instead of having all fo them
> sent to you and ignoring those you don't want to read.
>
> I think they're better for high-activity groups than email, as they allow
> you to handle not being able to get to them for a while (like, say, when
> you're on vacation) much more gracefully than having your mailbox explode.
--
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Sytek Services, Inc.
Milwaukee, WI
rsmrcina@wi.rr.com
rsmrcina@sytek-services.com
Catch the WAVV! Stay for Requirements and the Free for All!
Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price.
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April 25-29, 2003
For details see http://www.wavv.org
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> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
> world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.s390.
Please DO NOT link this mailing list to a Usenet group, or do it only at
your site as a gated mailing list! The S/N ratio is high, and I'd like to
keep it that way.
-- db
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Newsgroups are, as Jay Maynard mentioned, a more passive means of sharing=
information than mailing lists. The passivity of newsgroups can be a=
blessing in that it's often easier for an individual looking for a single=
piece of information to find what they need, without receiving many=
unrelated messages to their email account. There is also the ease of use=
in newsgroups that, when people away from their systems for an extended=
length of time, they don't need to remember to unsubscribe from a mailing=
list or switch to digest or index mode in order to avoid an overly full=
inbox upon their return. However, I must also point out that this=
"passivity" can also be a bane, because many news servers do not have=
enough DASD to archive newsgroup messages as long as most list servers can=
usually maintain an archive, and therefore much data older than a few=
weeks can often be lost from many newsgroups.
Newsgroups are also often one of the first places that people look for=
information on specific topics. Sometimes it may take a fair amount of=
searching to come across a relevant mailing list, while finding an active=
big 10 newsgroup is quick and easy.
I'm very new to the marist linux-390 mailing list myself-- subscribed just=
two days ago, or so-- and I certainly don't want to pull people or=
discussions away from the list in favor of a newsgroup. I just think that=
the growing community of linux-390 users would be benefited by a big 10=
newsgroup, as well as this mailing list. Many people have specific=
preferences for what type of forum they wish to be active in, and creating=
a newsgroup in addition to the mailing list(s) and other vendor- or=
institution-specific forums simply adds another outlet for sharing=
information.
I hope this helps explain a bit more why I propose creating the new=
newsgroup.
Greg
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On 4/18/02 at 10:14 AM Rich Smrcina wrote:
>Pardon my ignorance in this matter, but what's the point? We already
>have a
>great group here and I would personally prefer a single point of
>discussion.
>Do newsgroups work any way like mailing lists such that messages are mass
>emailed to members?
>
>On Thursday 18 April 2002 09:05 am, you wrote:
>> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
>> unmoderated group comp.os.linux.s390
>>
>> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
>> world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.s390. This is
>> not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
>> details are below.
>>
>> Newsgroup line:
>> comp.os.linux.s390 Discussion of Linux on S/390 and zSeries systems
>>
>> RATIONALE: comp.os.linux.s390
>>
>
>--
>Rich Smrcina
>Sytek Services, Inc.
>Milwaukee, WI
>rsmrcina@wi.rr.com
>rsmrcina@sytek-services.com
>
>Catch the WAVV! Stay for Requirements and the Free for All!
>Update your S/390 skills in 4 days for a very reasonable price.
>WAVV 2003 in Winston-Salem, NC.
>April 25-29, 2003
>For details see http://www.wavv.org
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ixnay.amspay.bosco@VISI.COM said:
> 8. Normally, postings should be signed and include a valid return
> address. However it is recognized that there may be legitimate reasons
> for on-topic postings via anonymous remailers. e.g., if a matter is
> commercially sensitive, or may jeopardize one's employment status.
Nobody with any sense will follow this rule. Publishing any semblance
of a working email address is something I learned not to do years ago.
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> Please DO NOT link this mailing list to a Usenet group, or do it only at
> your site as a gated mailing list! The S/N ratio is high, and I'd like to
> keep it that way.
Please don't do it anyway. I get enough spam without lusenet
trawlers getting my address all the time
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From: daniel.jarboe@custserv.com
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.s390
An opinion...
There are some drawbacks to linux-390 at marist going to a newsgroup.
Email is much closer to instant gratification where with newsgroups it
can take a MUCH longer time for messages to propogate from feed to feed
until it ends up from the poster's news server to the reader's. It's
nice to have been scratching your head on a problem, send out an email,
and often have several good answers in < 30 minutes. This might be lost
with newsgroups. There also may be an issue linking to past posts like
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvtype?LINUX-VM.25858 , which comes in
handy, along with the listserv logs at
http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?linux-vm . As was mentioned
earlier, spam is worse too. They get you two ways... by posting spam to
the newsgroup and by sending spam directly to email addresses harvested
from anyone who posts to the newsgroup. I think this works good.
~ Daniel
jmaynard@conmicro.cx wrote:
>On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 10:14:57AM -0500, Rich Smrcina wrote:
>
>>Pardon my ignorance in this matter, but what's the point? We already have a
>>great group here and I would personally prefer a single point of discussion.
>>Do newsgroups work any way like mailing lists such that messages are mass
>>emailed to members?
>>
>
>No. Newsgroups are pull media, to use a neologism, rather than push media:
>you read the articles you're interested in, instead of having all fo them
>sent to you and ignoring those you don't want to read.
>
>I think they're better for high-activity groups than email, as they allow
>you to handle not being able to get to them for a while (like, say, when
>you're on vacation) much more gracefully than having your mailbox explode.
>
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From: "Peter Webb, Toronto Transit Commission" <Peter.Webb@ttc.ca>
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.s390
My concern is if this list is turned into a newsgroup, I won't be able to
access it from work. I'm not conversant with accessing newsgroups (Netscape
takes care of it at home), but I suspect that our firewall will block any
attempts to access one from inside (Too many porn ones to distract
employees.)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Boyes [SMTP:dboyes@sinenomine.net]
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:59 AM
> To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.s390
>
> > This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
> > world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.s390.
>
> Please DO NOT link this mailing list to a Usenet group, or do it only at
> your site as a gated mailing list! The S/N ratio is high, and I'd like to
> keep it that way.
>
> -- db
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Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.s390
There are several news servers that listen on additional ports to get around
this very problem - teranews, for one, listens on port 25, and several ports
in the 750X range.
Mike
>My concern is if this list is turned into a newsgroup, I won't be able to
>access it from work. I'm not conversant with accessing newsgroups (Netscape
>takes care of it at home), but I suspect that our firewall will block any
>attempts to access one from inside (Too many porn ones to distract
>employees.)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Boyes [SMTP:dboyes@sinenomine.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:59 AM
> > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.s390
> >
> > > This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
> > > world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.s390.
> >
> > Please DO NOT link this mailing list to a Usenet group, or do it only at
> > your site as a gated mailing list! The S/N ratio is high, and I'd like
>to
> > keep it that way.
> >
> > -- db
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From: "Dennis G. Wicks" <dennisw@cdg.ws>
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.s390
Mike,
You miss the point. This is not some challenge for the edu-weenies or
script kiddies to surmount.
It is a company policy/rule. Though shalt not ... It doesn't make any
difference how you do it
or why, violating the policy is grounds for dismissal.
As I said earlier, "I can neither read nor post to usenet newsgroups," not
that I
haven't figured out how yet!
Regards,
Dennis
Mike Ross
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on 390 Port
<LINUX-390@VM.M
ARIST.EDU>
04/18/02 01:46
PM
Please respond
to Linux on 390
Port
There are several news servers that listen on additional ports to get
around
this very problem - teranews, for one, listens on port 25, and several
ports
in the 750X range.
Mike
>My concern is if this list is turned into a newsgroup, I won't be able to
>access it from work. I'm not conversant with accessing newsgroups
(Netscape
>takes care of it at home), but I suspect that our firewall will block any
>attempts to access one from inside (Too many porn ones to distract
>employees.)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Boyes [SMTP:dboyes@sinenomine.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 11:59 AM
> > To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
> > Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.s390
> >
> > > This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
> > > world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.s390.
> >
> > Please DO NOT link this mailing list to a Usenet group, or do it only
at
> > your site as a gated mailing list! The S/N ratio is high, and I'd like
>to
> > keep it that way.
> >
> > -- db
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From: "Dennis G. Wicks" <dennisw@cdg.ws>
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.s390
Greetings;
Since I can neither read nor post to usenet newsgroups I will have to reply
right here.
If someone wishes to forward my comments to the appropriate usenet
newsgroup
please feel free to do so.
I think the proposal is a bad idea for many reasons. Some of which follow.
1 - Many of the people on this list do not have the capability to
participate in usenet newsgroups.
2 - Participation in such a group makes one liable to address harvesting
and the resulting floods
of spam and other unwanted and undesirable communications.
3 - Participation in an unmodertated list is unrestricted. This results in
many inappropriate and
time-wasting posts by people who deem it necessary to post to every
newsgroup with "linux" in the title.
4 - Listservs are the common and accepted means of communicating among the
members of a
mainframe community. Linux/390 is by definition a mainframe O/S and the
experts already
participate in this list. Those who wish to join the community and
participate in the discussions
are free to do so. Therefore no other means of discussion within the
community is needed. And
for reasons one through three a Usenet Newsgroup in particular is unwanted.
Regards,
Dennis
Greg Robinson
<ixnay.amspay.bosco To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
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390 Port
<LINUX-390@VM.MARIS
T.EDU>
04/18/02 09:05 AM
Please respond to
Linux on 390 Port
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group comp.os.linux.s390
This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.s390. This is
not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
details are below.
Newsgroup line:
comp.os.linux.s390 Discussion of Linux on S/390 and zSeries systems
RATIONALE: comp.os.linux.s390
Technical discussion regarding installing, configuring, compiling, and
operating Linux and Linux applications specifically on IBM S/390 and
zSeries mainframe platforms.
Discussion may also include device driver, software and application
porting or programming issues specific to Linux on the S/390 and
zSeries platforms.
The group comp.os.linux.s390 deals with issues concerning the growing
base of Linux installations on the IBM S/390 and zSeries mainframe
platforms. The group is open to discussing all topics related to Linux
operations on the S/390 and zSeries mainframe platforms which are not
currently easily addressed by the existing hierarchy of
comp.os.linux.[architecture], comp.os.linux.[distribution] or
comp.os.linux.misc groups.
The relevant mailing list, linux-390@vm.marist.edu, appears to have
enough traffic to warrant creation of the new group, based upon the
10+ messages per day convention mentioned in the FAQ "Gathering
Traffic Data for Proposed Newsgroups".
CHARTER: comp.os.linux.s390
1. Technical discussion regarding installing, configuring, compiling,
and operating Linux and Linux applications specifically on IBM S/390
and zSeries mainframe platforms.
2. Discussion may also include device driver, software and application
porting or programming issues specific to Linux on the S/390 and
zSeries platforms.
3. This is a technical discussion group with subscribers using many
different operating systems, platforms and news clients. All postings
should be in plain ASCII text, and remain on-topic relative to the
charter and rationale of the newsgroup.
4. Binary files may not be posted to this discussion group. If you
feel you must post binaries, please arrange for them to be available
at an FTP/web site. A short announcement describing the nature of the
binary and the address where it may be accessed is welcome
5. Announcements of conferences, seminars, user groups and meetings
devoted wholly or mainly to Linux on S/390 and zSeries platforms are
welcomed and encouraged. As are short announcements of new books,
guides, online forums, mailing lists and web sites specifically
on-topic.
6. Commercial announcements or "plugs" for products are not
appropriate, but short announcements of the URLs of commercial Web
sites carrying details of products related to the purposes of the
newsgroup are acceptable. A specific recommendation of a particular
product as a solution to a problem is acceptable.
7. Short announcements of on-topic job vacancies or job searches in
this group area are acceptable.
8. Normally, postings should be signed and include a valid return
address. However it is recognized that there may be legitimate reasons
for on-topic postings via anonymous remailers. e.g., if a matter is
commercially sensitive, or may jeopardize one's employment status.
9. Questions and discussion from users of Linux on S/390 or zSeries
systems with any level of experience are welcomed. Because subscribers
of this group have widely varying levels of expertise on the topic,
all discussion is expected to be courteous. Answers to questions
should be as helpful as possible.
10. Excessively long off-topic discussions and posts discussing
political, religious and social views or opinions are not acceptable.
END CHARTER.
PROCEDURE:
This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved. The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.
All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.
DISTRIBUTION:
news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.os.linux.misc,
comp.os.linux.announce, comp.os.linux.powerpc, alt.os.linux,
alt.os.linux.mandrake, alt.os.linux.redhat, alt.os.linux.slackware,
alt.os.linux.suse, comp.os.linux.alpha,
comp.os.linux.development.system, comp.os.linux.hardware,
comp.os.linux.m68k, comp.os.linux.setup, comp.os.linux.networking,
news.redhat.com:gated.redhat-s390-list, linux-390@vm.marist.edu
Proponent: Greg Robinson <bosco@visi.com>
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>You miss the point. This is not some challenge for the edu-weenies or
>script kiddies to surmount.
>It is a company policy/rule. Though shalt not ... It doesn't make any
>difference how you do it
>or why, violating the policy is grounds for dismissal.
>
>As I said earlier, "I can neither read nor post to usenet newsgroups," not
>that I
>haven't figured out how yet!
Fair enough... it was your '...I suspect that our firewall will block...'
line that made me think the problem was technical: if you had said 'we
aren't allowed to access usenet as a company policy' then I would have
realised it was irrelevant what your firewall did or didn't block :-)
In case of *real* extremis you can always do what I do; if you have
broadband at home, configure a VNC server on your home PC to run on an
'always open' port; you can then connect to that and use your home system
from work. Very few companies are knowedgeable enough, or paranoid enough,
to specifically prohibit the use of VNC!
Mike
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From: "Welton, Sebastian" <sebastian.welton@gzs.de>
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.s390
Lots of posts deleted...
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group comp.os.linux.s390
>
>This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
>world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.s390. This is
>not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
>details are below.
As I read it, and I'm sure many others did as well, this is for a new =
Usenet newsgroup, not to replace linux-390 but to complement it. Along =
with that, there is no mention of replacing it with a newsgroup nor =
that of gating mails between the two. What is interesting though is =
that it is a comp.os newsgroup, I would have thought that along with =
the other mainframe newsgroups it would be nice to be =
bit.listserv.linux-390 :) (Now how about porting Netnews to L/390)
MfG / Best Regards
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Approved-By: Phil Payne <Linux@ISHAM-RESEARCH.COM>
Message-ID: <009a01c1e76d$00fcbee0$0900a8c0@transnote>
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:39:43 +0200
Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>
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From: Phil Payne <Linux@isham-research.com>
Subject: Re: RFD: comp.os.linux.s390
>>This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of a
>>world-wide unmoderated Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.s390. This is
>>not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time. Procedural
>>details are below.
> As I read it, and I'm sure many others did as well, this is for a new Usenet newsgroup, not
to replace linux-390 but to complement it. Along with that, there is no mention of replacing
it with a newsgroup nor that of gating mails between the two. What is interesting though is
that it is a comp.os newsgroup, I would have thought that along with the other mainframe
newsgroups it would be nice to be bit.listserv.linux-390
I don't know if you're a member of IBM-MAIN, but of late its mirroring into Usenet via
bit.listserv.ibm-main has become a serious problem. There's always been a degree of spam from
the Usenet harvesters, but some of the stuff I've been receiving lately has been enough to
make my stomach turn. One item a couple of weeks ago contained six or seven vignettes of some
of the hardest core porn you could imagaine.
--
Phil Payne
http://www.isham-research.com
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Approved-By: David Alcock <dalcock@CSW.COM>
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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:01:18 -0500
Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>
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From: David Alcock <dalcock@csw.com>
Subject: Re: comp.os.linux.s390
> Please DO NOT link this mailing list to a Usenet group, or do it
> only at your site as a gated mailing list! The S/N ratio is high, and
> I'd like to keep it that way.
You act as though you don't like spam or something. Seriously, I
agree: let's keep this on a mailing list.