Hercules and a group situation

Gregg C Levine

Dec 6, 2002

Hello from Gregg C Levine

I've got a problem, being posed as a question. If this isn't the right
group for it, then I'll sign for the advocacy group. Here it is. Do the
developers have a problem if I were to install Hercules on a Linux box
that I am setting up for a customer? The idea is to provide exposure to
the IBM mainframe world to the people at the client's location. It would
be running VM/370rel6, and of course I'd need to sift the documentation
to see what would be a good grouping of user IDs, and passwords to use
for the group, can't have them logging in as MAINT. Or Volker's MVS
setup. If I can convince them to allow me to install the this
arrangement, that is. If anyone has a problem, I'd be delight to hear
it, but please, contact me off list with it. Advice I'll cheerfully
accept on list.

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4:53 am

Re: Hercules and a group situation

S. Vetter

Dec 6, 2002

I for one have no problem. It won't be used as a production setup so that
eliminates some concerns I've heard about. What's wrong with MVS?

Scott

Gregg C Levine wrote:

> Hello from Gregg C Levine
>
> I've got a problem, being posed as a question. If this isn't the right
> group for it, then I'll sign for the advocacy group. Here it is. Do the
> developers have a problem if I were to install Hercules on a Linux box
> that I am setting up for a customer? The idea is to provide exposure to
> the IBM mainframe world to the people at the client's location. It would
> be running VM/370rel6, and of course I'd need to sift the documentation
> to see what would be a good grouping of user IDs, and passwords to use
> for the group, can't have them logging in as MAINT. Or Volker's MVS
> setup. If I can convince them to allow me to install the this
> arrangement, that is. If anyone has a problem, I'd be delight to hear
> it, but please, contact me off list with it. Advice I'll cheerfully
> accept on list.
>
> -------------------
> Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
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5:15 am

Hercules and a group situation

Gregg C Levine

Dec 6, 2002

Hello from Gregg C Levine

Okay, thanks Scott for you’re your prompt reply. What's wrong, you ask?
Why nothing! I just don't know much about it.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: S. Vetter [mailto:svetter@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:15 AM
> To: hercules-390@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Hercules and a group situation
>
> I for one have no problem. It won't be used as a production setup
so that
> eliminates some concerns I've heard about. What's wrong with MVS?
>
> Scott
>
> Gregg C Levine wrote:
>
> > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> >
> > I've got a problem, being posed as a question. If this isn't the
right
> > group for it, then I'll sign for the advocacy group. Here it is. Do
the
> > developers have a problem if I were to install Hercules on a Linux
box
> > that I am setting up for a customer? The idea is to provide exposure
to
> > the IBM mainframe world to the people at the client's location. It
would
> > be running VM/370rel6, and of course I'd need to sift the
documentation
> > to see what would be a good grouping of user IDs, and passwords to
use
> > for the group, can't have them logging in as MAINT. Or Volker's MVS
> > setup. If I can convince them to allow me to install the this
> > arrangement, that is. If anyone has a problem, I'd be delight to
hear
> > it, but please, contact me off list with it. Advice I'll cheerfully
> > accept on list.
> >
> > -------------------
> > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
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5:21 am

Hercules and a group situation

S. Vetter

Dec 6, 2002

Just getting ready to head to bed and thought I would read and respond to any
messages. Ah, a good reason. If they want to see such a system (MVS), I
could set them up with such, as long as it's not used for production.

Scott

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Gregg C Levine wrote:

> Hello from Gregg C Levine
>
> Okay, thanks Scott for you’re your prompt reply. What's wrong, you ask?
> Why nothing! I just don't know much about it.
> -------------------
> Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
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>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: S. Vetter [mailto:svetter@...]
> > Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 12:15 AM
> > To: hercules-390@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [hercules-390] Hercules and a group situation
> >
> > I for one have no problem. It won't be used as a production setup
> so that
> > eliminates some concerns I've heard about. What's wrong with MVS?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > Gregg C Levine wrote:
> >
> > > Hello from Gregg C Levine
> > >
> > > I've got a problem, being posed as a question. If this isn't the
> right
> > > group for it, then I'll sign for the advocacy group. Here it is. Do
> the
> > > developers have a problem if I were to install Hercules on a Linux
> box
> > > that I am setting up for a customer? The idea is to provide exposure
> to
> > > the IBM mainframe world to the people at the client's location. It
> would
> > > be running VM/370rel6, and of course I'd need to sift the
> documentation
> > > to see what would be a good grouping of user IDs, and passwords to
> use
> > > for the group, can't have them logging in as MAINT. Or Volker's MVS
> > > setup. If I can convince them to allow me to install the this
> > > arrangement, that is. If anyone has a problem, I'd be delight to
> hear
> > > it, but please, contact me off list with it. Advice I'll cheerfully
> > > accept on list.
> > >
> > > -------------------
> > > Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@...
> > > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi
> > > "Use the Force, Luke." Obi-Wan Kenobi
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5:28 am

Re: Hercules and a group situation

Dan

Dec 6, 2002

Strictly out of curiosity, why can't it be used for production?
--Dan

--- In hercules-390@y..., "S. Vetter" <svetter@a...> wrote:
> Just getting ready to head to bed and thought I would read and
respond to any
> messages. Ah, a good reason. If they want to see such a system
(MVS), I
> could set them up with such, as long as it's not used for
production.

11:49 am

Re: Hercules and a group situation

Gregg C Levine

Dec 6, 2002

Hello from Gregg C Levine

Have you read the license yet? I did. On all separate occasions. The
license strictly forbids the use of Hercules beyond the activities that
we are using it for. Jay Maynard, and Roger Bowler, feel that the use of
Hercules for such an application violates that license. And besides,
Hercules, while a very good emulator, doesn't have all of the bells and
whistles that a few others have. Yet. It can be used for teaching, and
demonstration purposes, but that's about it. When you use it, you are in
fact learning something about the Mainframe world.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan [mailto:slimeybidet@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 06, 2002 6:50 AM
> To: hercules-390@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [hercules-390] Re: Hercules and a group situation
>
> Strictly out of curiosity, why can't it be used for production?
> --Dan
>
> --- In hercules-390@y..., "S. Vetter" <svetter@a...> wrote:
> > Just getting ready to head to bed and thought I would read and
> respond to any
> > messages. Ah, a good reason. If they want to see such a system
> (MVS), I
> > could set them up with such, as long as it's not used for
> production.
>
>
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5:37 pm

Re: Hercules and a group situation

Jay Maynard

Dec 6, 2002

On Fri, Dec 06, 2002 at 12:37:29PM -0500, Gregg C Levine wrote:
> Have you read the license yet? I did. On all separate occasions. The
> license strictly forbids the use of Hercules beyond the activities that
> we are using it for. Jay Maynard, and Roger Bowler, feel that the use of
> Hercules for such an application violates that license. And besides,
> Hercules, while a very good emulator, doesn't have all of the bells and
> whistles that a few others have. Yet. It can be used for teaching, and
> demonstration purposes, but that's about it. When you use it, you are in
> fact learning something about the Mainframe world.

Actually, the QPL does not prohibit using Hercules in a production
environment. As an Open Source Definition-compliant license, it does not say
anything at all about what use the licensed program may be put to.

As to its suitability for use in a production environment, I'm of two minds
about the subject. My goal, and that of the other developers (at least I
think I can speak for them about this), is to build a production-quality
emulator that need not apologize in any way for its reliability or
accuracy. However, one thing that Hercules will never be able to provide (at
least, not in any future that I can foresee) is the level of system support
that a vendor with funds to pay a support staff can. I firmly believe that
the benefits of an open source development model can offset that, but I
can't honestly recommend that Hercules be used in a production environment
unless the person making that call understands all of the ramifications of
the different kinds of support, and goes in with his eyes open.

9:12 pm