Z/OS demopkg download
etadinshrdlu
Sep 28, 2005
I have installed Hercules on a Linux successfully. Next step is the
installation of Z/OS and later CICS TS.
I'm unable to find any Z/OS demopkg download under the IBM Partner
Software Catalog (yes, we are IBM partners).
Do you have the IBM's URL for downloading this ? (or any other
resource/torrent/whatever).
Thanks!
9:05 am
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
Jay Maynard
Sep 28, 2005
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 09:05:16AM -0000, etadinshrdlu wrote:
> I have installed Hercules on a Linux successfully. Next step is the
> installation of Z/OS and later CICS TS.
> I'm unable to find any Z/OS demopkg download under the IBM Partner
> Software Catalog (yes, we are IBM partners).
> Do you have the IBM's URL for downloading this ? (or any other
> resource/torrent/whatever).
You should contact your IBM representative to find out how to get the
demopkg, as it's not soemthignt he average user even has access to.
You should also make sure you can legally run the demopkg on Hercules.
--
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9:39 am
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
jcdreyer@...
Sep 28, 2005
Hello,
i beleave that CICS TS will not work on mvs 3.8J
BTW, if you do not have ADCD or other IBM resource package on CD, you will
not have CICS either pre installed or available on CD
If youy are IBM partners, the best way is to contact ibm to get a flex
licence, so you will get the right , software and material to have a
running environment quite fast.
cheers
Jean Claude DREYER
support@...
jc.dreyer@...
+33 (0)1 46 08 91 19
+33 (0)6 24 63 16 26
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9:58 am
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
etadinshrdlu
Sep 28, 2005
Hi,
OK, I will run through the formal path of contacting IBM support ... I
was wondering to have a quick-success-route and setup a CICS
environment and play around along with J2EE world.
Thanks to all for your time and your work.
--- In hercules-390@yahoogroups.com, jcdreyer@e... wrote:
> Hello,
>
> i beleave that CICS TS will not work on mvs 3.8J
> BTW, if you do not have ADCD or other IBM resource package on CD,
you will
> not have CICS either pre installed or available on CD
>
> If youy are IBM partners, the best way is to contact ibm to get a flex
> licence, so you will get the right , software and material to have a
> running environment quite fast.
>
> cheers
>
> Jean Claude DREYER
> support@e...
> jc.dreyer@e...
>
> +33 (0)1 46 08 91 19
> +33 (0)6 24 63 16 26
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
10:17 am
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
Paul Raulerson
Sep 28, 2005
Well then, the anwer is pretty easy. Buy a copy of VisualAge COBOL
from IBM, or for a fraction of the list cost off of eBay,
and you will get a CICS development environment that is pretty
compatible with the mainframe TX environment. By pretty compatible, I
mean it is somewhat older than current day CICS, but it was 100%
compatible with the CICS in use in say, 1998.
You can actually run an entire multi-user production environment with
it, and it works just fine on a Windows 2003 server.
And yes, the CICS client connects to and runs just great with it,
including the gateway clients. Cheap, legal, and supported. :)
-Paul
On Sep 28, 2005, at 5:17 AM, etadinshrdlu wrote:
> Hi,
> OK, I will run through the formal path of contacting IBM support ... I
> was wondering to have a quick-success-route and setup a CICS
> environment and play around along with J2EE world.
>
> Thanks to all for your time and your work.
>
> --- In hercules-390@yahoogroups.com, jcdreyer@e... wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > i beleave that CICS TS will not work on mvs 3.8J
> > BTW, if you do not have ADCD or other IBM resource package on CD,
> you will
> > not have CICS either pre installed or available on CD
> >
> > If youy are IBM partners, the best way is to contact ibm to get a
> flex
> > licence, so you will get the right , software and material to have a
> > running environment quite fast.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Jean Claude DREYER
> > support@e...
> > jc.dreyer@e...
> >
> > +33 (0)1 46 08 91 19
> > +33 (0)6 24 63 16 26
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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1:17 pm
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
etadinshrdlu
Sep 28, 2005
Do you mean I can have Cobol transactions running on "VisualAge COBOL"
and accessed through CTG via commarea ?
--- In hercules-390@yahoogroups.com, Paul Raulerson <h390@r...> wrote:
> Well then, the anwer is pretty easy. Buy a copy of VisualAge COBOL
> from IBM, or for a fraction of the list cost off of eBay,
> and you will get a CICS development environment that is pretty
> compatible with the mainframe TX environment. By pretty compatible, I
> mean it is somewhat older than current day CICS, but it was 100%
> compatible with the CICS in use in say, 1998.
>
> You can actually run an entire multi-user production environment with
> it, and it works just fine on a Windows 2003 server.
>
> And yes, the CICS client connects to and runs just great with it,
> including the gateway clients. Cheap, legal, and supported. :)
>
> -Paul
>
> On Sep 28, 2005, at 5:17 AM, etadinshrdlu wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > OK, I will run through the formal path of contacting IBM support ... I
> > was wondering to have a quick-success-route and setup a CICS
> > environment and play around along with J2EE world.
> >
> > Thanks to all for your time and your work.
> >
> > --- In hercules-390@yahoogroups.com, jcdreyer@e... wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > i beleave that CICS TS will not work on mvs 3.8J
> > > BTW, if you do not have ADCD or other IBM resource package on CD,
> > you will
> > > not have CICS either pre installed or available on CD
> > >
> > > If youy are IBM partners, the best way is to contact ibm to get a
> > flex
> > > licence, so you will get the right , software and material to have a
> > > running environment quite fast.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > >
> > > Jean Claude DREYER
> > > support@e...
> > > jc.dreyer@e...
> > >
> > > +33 (0)1 46 08 91 19
> > > +33 (0)6 24 63 16 26
> > >
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3:39 pm
Re: RE [hercules-390] Z/OS demopkg download
Paul Raulerson
Sep 28, 2005
Yes - absolutely. The only differences are in the way you define VSAM -all
the
definitions are online, and are tailored to the platform. Itworks very nicely
indeed.
-Paul
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8:20 pm
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
BitFlippa Bob
Sep 30, 2005
Earlier in this post someone wrote:
> > If youy are IBM partners, the best way is to contact ibm to get a
> flex
> > licence, so you will get the right , software and material to have a
> > running environment quite fast.
The company I work for is a partner. I inquired about using ADCD or DEMO
package z/os with hercules, they said no way and directed me to T3 Technologies.
To use Z/OS under FLEX, basically you have to purchase a flex machine at a
minimum cost of $13,500 (this gets you an ibm thinkpad with the Flex-es software
running on it and a copy of the ADCD on it) they can also be leased for $450 per
month. You are entitled ONLY to run z/os under the FLEX-ES software and only on
the machine you purchase/lease througth T3 or one other company, ALL other
emulators are PROHIBITED.
What this means is that it is not legal to run Z/OS under hercules at all.
Paul Raulerson <h390@...> wrote:
Well then, the anwer is pretty easy. Buy a copy of VisualAge COBOL
from IBM, or for a fraction of the list cost off of eBay,
and you will get a CICS development environment that is pretty
compatible with the mainframe TX environment. By pretty compatible, I
mean it is somewhat older than current day CICS, but it was 100%
compatible with the CICS in use in say, 1998.
You can actually run an entire multi-user production environment with
it, and it works just fine on a Windows 2003 server.
And yes, the CICS client connects to and runs just great with it,
including the gateway clients. Cheap, legal, and supported. :)
-Paul
On Sep 28, 2005, at 5:17 AM, etadinshrdlu wrote:
> Hi,
> OK, I will run through the formal path of contacting IBM support ... I
> was wondering to have a quick-success-route and setup a CICS
> environment and play around along with J2EE world.
>
> Thanks to all for your time and your work.
>
> --- In hercules-390@yahoogroups.com, jcdreyer@e... wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > i beleave that CICS TS will not work on mvs 3.8J
> > BTW, if you do not have ADCD or other IBM resource package on CD,
> you will
> > not have CICS either pre installed or available on CD
> >
> > If youy are IBM partners, the best way is to contact ibm to get a
> flex
> > licence, so you will get the right , software and material to have a
> > running environment quite fast.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Jean Claude DREYER
> > support@e...
> > jc.dreyer@e...
> >
> > +33 (0)1 46 08 91 19
> > +33 (0)6 24 63 16 26
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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4:04 pm
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
Jay Maynard
Sep 30, 2005
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 09:04:08AM -0700, BitFlippa Bob wrote:
> The company I work for is a partner. I inquired about using ADCD or DEMO
> package z/os with hercules, they said no way and directed me to T3
> Technologies. To use Z/OS under FLEX, basically you have to purchase a
> flex machine at a minimum cost of $13,500 (this gets you an ibm thinkpad
> with the Flex-es software running on it and a copy of the ADCD on it) they
> can also be leased for $450 per month. You are entitled ONLY to run z/os
> under the FLEX-ES software and only on the machine you purchase/lease
> througth T3 or one other company, ALL other emulators are PROHIBITED.
>
> What this means is that it is not legal to run Z/OS under hercules at all.
That copy of z/OS, anyway. There may be other avenues to run it legally. We
don't know what arrangements IBM has made with all of its users. In
addition, IBM is known to use Hercules internally, and of course they can
run z/OS on anything they darned well want to.
4:27 pm
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
Adam Thornton
Sep 30, 2005
On Sep 30, 2005, at 11:04 AM, BitFlippa Bob wrote:
> Earlier in this post someone wrote:
>>> If youy are IBM partners, the best way is to contact ibm to get a
>>>
>> flex
>>
>>> licence, so you will get the right , software and material to have a
>>> running environment quite fast.
>
> The company I work for is a partner. I inquired about using ADCD
> or DEMO package z/os with hercules, they said no way and directed
> me to T3 Technologies. To use Z/OS under FLEX, basically you have
> to purchase a flex machine at a minimum cost of $13,500 (this gets
> you an ibm thinkpad with the Flex-es software running on it and a
> copy of the ADCD on it) they can also be leased for $450 per month.
> You are entitled ONLY to run z/os under the FLEX-ES software and
> only on the machine you purchase/lease througth T3 or one other
> company, ALL other emulators are PROHIBITED.
>
> What this means is that it is not legal to run Z/OS under hercules
> at all.
It doesn't mean that at all.
It means that it's not legal to run the ADCD or Demo Package under
Hercules (unless, possibly, you're an IBM employee).
If you have a traditional license you quite possibly can run that
system on Hercules under your DR/testing provision, and if you are an
IBM employee, I think you have the right to run any company software
without restriction (I'm not at all sure how close to right I have
that statement; this may be more limited than I think it is).
Adam
5:05 pm
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
BitFlippa Bob
Sep 30, 2005
The information i provided in my post is accurate, the agreement for getting
the
ADCD disk that they wanted to have signed by me said you could not run z/os on
any emulator other than FLEX-ES, and only on a FLEX-ES machine purchased through
T3 and one other IBM approved company, it means what it says.
The DEMO package is not available to me at all even though I am a partnerworld
member and work for an ISV.
Our company has several of these FLEX-ES boxes, we were told in no uncertain
terms that running z/os is not permitted on hardware other the T3 laptops and
not permitted under any emulator other the FLEX-ES from Fundamental Software.
If you were told otherwise I would like to know your contact at IBM. I spoke
directly with people from IBM Dallas, which is the only place you can actually
get the ADCD package from.
Adam Thornton <adam@...> wrote:
On Sep 30, 2005, at 11:04 AM, BitFlippa Bob wrote:
> Earlier in this post someone wrote:
>>> If youy are IBM partners, the best way is to contact ibm to get a
>>>
>> flex
>>
>>> licence, so you will get the right , software and material to have a
>>> running environment quite fast.
>
> The company I work for is a partner. I inquired about using ADCD
> or DEMO package z/os with hercules, they said no way and directed
> me to T3 Technologies. To use Z/OS under FLEX, basically you have
> to purchase a flex machine at a minimum cost of $13,500 (this gets
> you an ibm thinkpad with the Flex-es software running on it and a
> copy of the ADCD on it) they can also be leased for $450 per month.
> You are entitled ONLY to run z/os under the FLEX-ES software and
> only on the machine you purchase/lease througth T3 or one other
> company, ALL other emulators are PROHIBITED.
>
> What this means is that it is not legal to run Z/OS under hercules
> at all.
It doesn't mean that at all.
It means that it's not legal to run the ADCD or Demo Package under
Hercules (unless, possibly, you're an IBM employee).
If you have a traditional license you quite possibly can run that
system on Hercules under your DR/testing provision, and if you are an
IBM employee, I think you have the right to run any company software
without restriction (I'm not at all sure how close to right I have
that statement; this may be more limited than I think it is).
Adam
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6:26 pm
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
BitFlippa Bob
Sep 30, 2005
Adam Thornton <adam@...> wrote:
On Sep 30, 2005, at 1:26 PM, BitFlippa Bob wrote:
> The information i provided in my post is accurate, the agreement
> for getting the ADCD disk that they wanted to have signed by me
> said you could not run z/os on any emulator other than FLEX-ES, and
> only on a FLEX-ES machine purchased through T3 and one other IBM
> approved company, it means what it says.
>
> The DEMO package is not available to me at all even though I am a
> partnerworld member and work for an ISV.
>
> Our company has several of these FLEX-ES boxes, we were told in no
> uncertain terms that running z/os is not permitted on hardware
> other the T3 laptops and not permitted under any emulator other the
> FLEX-ES from Fundamental Software.
>
> If you were told otherwise I would like to know your contact at
> IBM. I spoke directly with people from IBM Dallas, which is the
> only place you can actually get the ADCD package from.
We agree on this statement of mine: "It means that it's not legal to
run the ADCD or Demo Package under Hercules (unless, possibly,
you're an IBM employee)."
I'm not arguing that it's legal to run either the ADCD or Demo
Packages on Hercules (unless, perhaps, if you work for IBM). I'm
saying that there are means to run z/OS that do not involve either
the ADCD or Demo Packages. That is in response to your statement,
"What this means is that it is not legal to run Z/OS under hercules
at all." I do not believe that to be a true statement.
Adam
Adam I am not an IBM employee, also for Ferid I am not a troll nor do I work for
Fundamental Software. I agee it may be true that IBM allows its own employees to
run z/os with hercules. The big advantage over FLEX is that you can useu Windows
and it is pretty cool having MVS in a Windows Window, not to mention that the
cost per developer is $0 instead of $13,500 or 450 per month (assuming IBM gives
the ADCD disk to them free). On the Partnerworld site they claim the adcd disk
is a free download, providing you have a FLEX machine (they ask for the model
and serial# of the flex machine).
Above you say "there are means to run z/os without the ADCD or Demo pkg", by
this I am guessing you are talking about CCKDDUMPing the volumes from a live
system. Does IBM allow you to do that? I have not asked.
Are you talking about some other way? if so please share.
The main reason I spoke up here is that after reading posts on here for months ,
it seems people here believe that IBM allows ISV's and Partner World Members to
use the ADCD and i tried to go that route without luck.
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8:55 pm
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
Adam Thornton
Sep 30, 2005
On Sep 30, 2005, at 3:55 PM, BitFlippa Bob wrote:
> Above you say "there are means to run z/os without the ADCD or Demo
> pkg", by this I am guessing you are talking about CCKDDUMPing the
> volumes from a live system. Does IBM allow you to do that? I have
> not asked.
>
Dunno; I'd think that if you were using Hercules as part of your DR
plan you could. I've never used CCKDDUMP, actually.
> Are you talking about some other way? if so please share.
The initial VM install, I just did from the install CDs; I had to
manipulate the TDF files to point to the copy of the CDs I made that
Hercules could see. This was like a ten-line perl program--really,
really easy, just changing pathnames and backslashes-to-forward-
slashes, basically. As far as VM knew, after that, I was installing
from tape. Then I just IPLed the first "Tape", and followed the
instructions (in terms of using ICKDSF to format the DASD and kick
off the initial install). It runs slowly (and by "slowly", I mean,
"a couple of days", but it *does* run.
After that, I had a basic VM system running, and the first thing I
did was to set up TCP/IP so that that system could talk to first-
level VM.
Then to copy those system volumes I wanted, I wrote a little track
server (with Dave Jones's help) and an equally brain-dead CMS
client. Since I had TCP/IP up between the first-level VM system and
the VM system running in Herc (CTC link to the Linux guest, and then
the Linux guest and VM both have virtual NICs on the guest LAN), then
I just did a track copy over the wire. The client asks the server
for a track; the server reads the track, and then spits it and a
checksum down the network pipe; if the received checksum and the
calculated sum agree, the client writes the track to disk. Lather,
rinse, repeat. Again, this was sloooooow, but I had time. Once
started it didn't really need intervention.
Presumably--I haven't tried this and it would *not* be legal for me--
I could (once the Herc VM system was shut down)--just copy the 3390
dasd images (which are just big, but perfectly normal, Linux files)
to any other Hercules anywhere else and bring the system up there. I
don't actually know if the images are portable across architectures
(specifically, x86 is little-endian and s390 is big-endian, so
certainly the possibility exists that they might not be) but I'd be
really surprised if they were not.
If you were planning on using Herc for DR, you'd probably want to a)
make sure your license allows it, and then b) build the track-copy-
server on a minimal system, and then use that to copy all your real
volumes. I presume that you could write a similar server and client
on z/OS although I don't really know.
Adam
9:39 pm
Re: Z/OS demopkg download
Jay Maynard
Oct 1, 2005
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 01:55:17PM -0700, BitFlippa Bob wrote:
> Above you say "there are means to run z/os without the ADCD or Demo pkg",
> by this I am guessing you are talking about CCKDDUMPing the volumes from a
> live system. Does IBM allow you to do that? I have not asked.
>
> Are you talking about some other way? if so please share.
...but not here. This is off-topic for this list. Please take it to
hercules-advocacy. If you want to tell me how it isn't off-topic, please do
it in private email.
--
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