IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Lim Ming Liang
Oct 23, 2009
Just heard that this month IBM make zPDT available to ISV for few thousand
USD, and ADCD is included in the package.
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9:29 am
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Roger Bowler
Oct 23, 2009
On Friday, October 23, 2009 Lim Ming Liang wrote:
> Just heard that this month IBM make zPDT available to ISV for few
> thousand USD, and ADCD is included in the package.
The same rumour was circulating in March this year, but nothing came
of it. Maybe it's true this time, maybe it's an IBM spoiling tactic.
Do you have a URL for the announcement?
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11:14 am
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
kerravon86
Oct 27, 2009
--- In hercules-390@yahoogroups.com, Roger Bowler <rogerbowler@...> wrote:
>
> On Friday, October 23, 2009 Lim Ming Liang wrote:
> > Just heard that this month IBM make zPDT available to ISV for few
> > thousand USD, and ADCD is included in the package.
>
> The same rumour was circulating in March this year, but nothing came
> of it. Maybe it's true this time, maybe it's an IBM spoiling tactic.
>
> Do you have a URL for the announcement?
This seems to be it?
http://www.p390.com/zpdt.htm
BFN. Paul.
9:07 pm
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
yvette hirth
Oct 28, 2009
kerravon86 wrote:
>>> Just heard that this month IBM make zPDT available to ISV for few
>>> thousand USD, and ADCD is included in the package.
>> The same rumour was circulating in March this year, but nothing came
>> of it. Maybe it's true this time, maybe it's an IBM spoiling tactic.
>>
>> Do you have a URL for the announcement?
>
> This seems to be it?
>
> http://www.p390.com/zpdt.htm
while this gives developers hope, i wonder why it came from some IBM
BizPartner with a lot of gov't bidness instead of from IBM?
IBM has now published three manuals on zPDT but not yet disclosed to PWD
and other developers the details of the zPDT program.
it seems to be a rather peculiar way of "announcing" zPDT.
yvette hirth
5:53 pm
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
John P. Baker
Oct 28, 2009
My information is that you must be a PartnerWorld developer qualified for
zSeries software.
The system is designated as a "1090", and consists of a USB dongle (for
licensing) and the "1090" software (simulator).
IBM specifically supports several hardware platforms, AFAIK, all of which
are from Lenovo. Other hardware platforms may work, but are NOT supported
by IBM.
The system is Linux-based, and can support from 1-3 simulated zSeries
processors, which can be individually configured as CP, IFL, zIIP, or zAAP.
The USB dongle is separately priced at $299.
Software pricing is dependent on the number of simulated zSeries processors,
with a single processor license priced at $3,750.
ISV licensees will be able to obtains z/LINUX, z/OS, z/VM, and z/VSE through
the PartnerWorld program.
The license is for development only. Production workloads are NOT
permitted.
John P. Baker
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This seems to be it?
http://www.p390.com/zpdt.htm
BFN. Paul.
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6:17 pm
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Rich Smrcina
Oct 28, 2009
If you are a member of Partnerworld, the information is available on the
Partnerworld web site.
yvette hirth wrote:
>
> while this gives developers hope, i wonder why it came from some IBM
> BizPartner with a lot of gov't bidness instead of from IBM?
>
> IBM has now published three manuals on zPDT but not yet disclosed to PWD
> and other developers the details of the zPDT program.
>
> it seems to be a rather peculiar way of "announcing" zPDT.
>
> yvette hirth
>
>
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6:19 pm
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Volker Bandke
Oct 28, 2009
Rich Smrcina wrote:
> If you are a member of Partnerworld, the information is available on the
> Partnerworld web site.
I am, but I am also too stupid to find that info. Any hints?
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7:50 pm
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Rich Smrcina
Oct 28, 2009
If you're familiar with where to find the z/OS ADCD info, that's where
it is.
Volker Bandke wrote:
> Rich Smrcina wrote:
>
>
>> If you are a member of Partnerworld, the information is available on the
>> Partnerworld web site.
>>
>
> I am, but I am also too stupid to find that info. Any hints?
>
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10:57 pm
Re: [hercules-390] Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Harold Grovesteen
Oct 29, 2009
John P. Baker wrote:
>
>
>The USB dongle is separately priced at $299.
>
>
>
>Software pricing is dependent on the number of simulated zSeries processors,
>with a single processor license priced at $3,750.
>
>
>
Not much of a competitor to Hercules at these prices, although the
TurboHercules folks might find it problem.
>
>
>
8:35 am
Re: [hercules-390] Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Jay Maynard
Oct 29, 2009
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:35:13AM -0500, Harold Grovesteen wrote:
> >The USB dongle is separately priced at $299.
> >Software pricing is dependent on the number of simulated zSeries processors,
> >with a single processor license priced at $3,750.
> Not much of a competitor to Hercules at these prices, although the
> TurboHercules folks might find it problem.
No competition there: TurboHercules is intended, currently, for disaster
recovery; z/PDT is intended for software development. Neither may legally be
used for the other's purpose at the current state fo software licensing.
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3:20 pm
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Roger Bowler
Nov 1, 2009
Rich Smrcina wrote:
> If you're familiar with where to find the z/OS ADCD info, that's where
> it is.
No need to be so circumspect, Rich!
The information seems to be publicly available now:
http://www.ibm.com/partnerworld/pwhome.nsf/weblook/pat_sas_zpdt.html
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8:53 pm
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Tony Harminc
Nov 2, 2009
2009/11/1 Roger Bowler <rogerbowler@...>:
> Rich Smrcina wrote:
>> If you're familiar with where to find the z/OS ADCD info, that's where it is.
>
> No need to be so circumspect, Rich!
>
> The information seems to be publicly available now:
> http://www.ibm.com/partnerworld/pwhome.nsf/weblook/pat_sas_zpdt.html
Sure, but just a few days ago, when the IBM sites had nothing but
Redbooks, and even a phone call to Partnerworld yielded "we've never
heard of that", it wasn't clear to anyone in the know that IBM had
really announced it all publicly. Since each System z ISV has an NDA
on file that covers all kinds of stuff, it makes sense not to be the
first one to blab some IBM secret out in public, and risk one's ISV
status. I don't want to have to spend the effort to reread every
detail of every NDA that my company has signed, to decide if I can
mention the existence of some IBM web site that may or may not be open
to the public. Seems silly, but from time to time IBM gets serious
about this stuff.
Tony H.
4:59 pm
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Roger Bowler
Nov 4, 2009
> 2009/11/1 Roger Bowler <rogerbowler@...>:
>> The information seems to be publicly available now:
>> http://www.ibm.com/partnerworld/pwhome.nsf/weblook/pat_sas_zpdt.html
On Monday, November 2, 2009 Tony Harminc wrote:
> Sure, but just a few days ago, when the IBM sites had nothing but
> Redbooks, and even a phone call to Partnerworld yielded "we've never
> heard of that", it wasn't clear to anyone in the know that IBM had
> really announced it all publicly. Since each System z ISV has an NDA
> on file that covers all kinds of stuff, it makes sense not to be the
> first one to blab some IBM secret out in public, and risk one's ISV
> status.
I take your point Tony, but in this case I think it's ok. The url is
not secret, it comes up on the first page of google search results for
"zpdt ibm".
Bizarrely, accessibility to the zpdt page seems to depend on whether
or not your browser is configured to block scripts from akamai.net.
Google seems to have no trouble in caching the page, presumably
because he doesn't execute those scripts.
I did not receive any of this information under NDA, in case anyone
was wondering.
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Roger Bowler
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9:28 am
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Tony Harminc
Nov 4, 2009
2009/11/4 Roger Bowler <rogerbowler@...>:
>> 2009/11/1 Roger Bowler <rogerbowler@...>:
>>> The information seems to be publicly available now:
>>> http://www.ibm.com/partnerworld/pwhome.nsf/weblook/pat_sas_zpdt.html
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2009 Tony Harminc wrote:
>> Sure, but just a few days ago, when the IBM sites had nothing but
>> Redbooks, and even a phone call to Partnerworld yielded "we've never
>> heard of that", it wasn't clear to anyone in the know that IBM had
>> really announced it all publicly. Since each System z ISV has an NDA
>> on file that covers all kinds of stuff, it makes sense not to be the
>> first one to blab some IBM secret out in public, and risk one's ISV
>> status.
>
> I take your point Tony, but in this case I think it's ok. The url is
> not secret, it comes up on the first page of google search results for
> "zpdt ibm".
It's clearly all OK *now*, but whether it was OK barely a week or so
ago when the discussion heated up, is still not clear to me. Certainly
there was no Google hit for that page when you first posted on this
topic.
Tony H.
4:23 pm
Re: IBM make zPDT available for ISV
Roger Bowler
Nov 5, 2009
On Wednesday, November 4, 2009 Tony Harminc wrote:
> It's clearly all OK *now*, but whether it was OK barely a week or so
> ago when the discussion heated up, is still not clear to me.
> Certainly there was no Google hit for that page when you first
> posted on this topic.
Tony, while I entirely acknowledge and respect the fact that you and
Rich chose not to risk divulging information in case it might be under
NDA, in this case it's pretty clear that zPDT and its ISV program has
been public knowledge since 28 Oct.
The first posting on this topic was on 23 Oct when an IBMer posted a
rumor on hercules-390 that zPDT was about to be announced. I posted
asking if anyone knew any details.
It is no secret that there was a System z Technical Disclosure Meeting
at Poughkeepsie from 26 to 29 October
http://learning.dice.com/index.php?action=view_job&jobID=734752
so we waited to see what (if any) news would come out of that.
On 27 Oct the venerable Mike Hammock, who is to be a reseller of zPDT,
posted an announcement on several mainframe forums under the title "of
interest to developers", with a link to the site www.p390.com which
contained a very detailed description of the program.
On 28 Oct three zPDT redbooks appeared on the public IBM redbook site,
and a link to these was posted on the ibm-main forum.
On 30 Oct a link was posted on the ibm-main forum to the zPDT FAQ at
http://www14.software.ibm.com/cgi-bin/pwdown/public/httpdl/stg/zpdt_isv_faq.pdf
The FAQ is a publicly accessible PDF document which contains a link
which leads to a publicly accessible zPDT information page at
http://www.ibm.com/partnerworld/pwhome.nsf/weblook/pat_sas_zpdt.html
On 1 Nov I reposted the above URL in hercules-390 in response to
Rich's message.
A google search for "zPDT Partnerworld" also turns up a publicly
accessible page http://dtsc.dfw.ibm.com/adcd/adcd.html which contains
a link to the zPDT information page.
I discovered all of this information because I keep a close eye on the
relevant newsgroups, I doggedly follow interesting links, and I share
the information which I find. In no sense did I "blab IBM secrets". No
information about zPDT has ever been made available to me under NDA,
and it is not secret if it is published on the IBM website.
As a footnote, I do find it lamentable that IBM is able to engender
such an atmosphere of fear in mainframers that they are reluctant to
talk about new developments for fear that it *might* be secret, even
when it is not. Such an atmosphere of fear is hardly conducive to
encouraging innovation in the mainframe arena, in my opinion. This is
not meant in any way to be a criticism of Tony or Rich, of course, but
it is a criticism of certain factions within IBM.
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1:17 pm
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