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Subject: Launch date of Netscape Communicator 5.0?
From: Thomas Valentinsen
Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 17:44:36 +0200
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Hello,
What is the estimated launch date of the final version of Netscape
Communicator 5.0?
At what date will I be able to download the final version of the source
code ready for customization?
Please reply to: valentin@xxxxxxxxxxx
Thank you for your help.
Regards
Thomas Valentinsen
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Subject: Re: Launch date of Netscape Communicator 5.0?
From: Chris Dickerson
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 07:59:09 -0500
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Rubes coming here looking for Communicator is getting annoying...
Thomas Valentinsen wrote:
> Hello,
>
> What is the estimated launch date of the final version of Netscape
> Communicator 5.0?
>
> At what date will I be able to download the final version of the source
> code ready for customization?
>
> Please reply to: valentin@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Regards
> Thomas Valentinsen
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Subject: Re: Launch date of Netscape Communicator 5.0?
From: "L.M.Orchard"
Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:21:39 -0700
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Chris Dickerson wrote:
> Thomas Valentinsen wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > What is the estimated launch date of the final version of Netscape
> > Communicator 5.0?
> Rubes coming here looking for Communicator is getting annoying...Chill out.
It's a valid question. He asked *when*, not *where*. Get off your eeleet
high horse.
And I'm sure a lot of people would like to know if this grand Mozilla venture
has a milestone date set for the first launch. Seems like nothing's been
working under any kind of deadline, and there are people holding their
breaths. =)
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Subject: Re: Launch date of Netscape Communicator 5.0?
From: Mike Shaver
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 14:32:32 -0700
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L.M.Orchard wrote:
> Chris Dickerson wrote:
> > Thomas Valentinsen wrote:
> > > What is the estimated launch date of the final version of Netscape
> > > Communicator 5.0?
> > Rubes coming here looking for Communicator is getting annoying...Chill out.
>
> It's a valid question. He asked *when*, not *where*. Get off your eeleet
> high horse.
Well, no, it's not a valid question, really.
Mozilla != Communicator.
Only Official Netscape People can say when Netscape Communicator 5.0 is
out, and people shouldn't be coming to mozilla.* to ask questions about
Netscape corporate policy.
> And I'm sure a lot of people would like to know if this grand Mozilla venture
> has a milestone date set for the first launch. Seems like nothing's been
> working under any kind of deadline, and there are people holding their
> breaths. =)
Any checkpointing of Mozilla source for stability or snapshot release
that occurs may or may not be related to (or affect) the release (beta
or otherwise) of Netscape Communicator. If you want information about
Netscape release schedules, you probably want to poke at the feedback
addresses hidden somewhere on the Netscape web site.
Mike
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To: Thomas Valentinsen
Subject: Mozilla Stabilization Schedule (Was: Launch date of Netscape Communicator 5.0?)
From: Brendan Eich
Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 18:21:47 -0700
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Here are my current thoughts on mozilla scheduling for this year:
1. May-June: Get mail and news integrated, fix more bugs, finish and
integrate features, strive for "24 by 7, I live in my mozilla build"
stability.
2. July-August: Coordinated development and integration of more
ambitious features (feature list to be figured out later, but we already
have good leads thanks to everyone posting to these newsgroups).
3. 1-Sept-1998: Close the trunk to new features and stabilize
aggressively, to get the inter-module bugs and hard heisenbugs fixed.
4. XXX-1998 (let's say it's 1-Oct-1998): Declare the trunk stable, tag
it with a blessed CVS label that anyone can use to derive product from
(particularly, but certainly not exclusively, Netscape for Communicator
5.0), and then:
5. XXX plus 1: open the tree to next-gen layout, aggressive modularity,
other changes. I should emphasize that the difference between 1-Sept
and this date cannot be many months, or we're doomed.
Right now, the code has a not-well-enough-known set of bugs that we
believe make it of "alpha" or at best "beta" quality. But we don't know
for sure, because (we think) without mail/news and SSL, it's hard for
anyone to live 24-by-7 in mozilla. And therefore the bug discovery rate
(as measured by bugs reported to http://www.mozilla.org/bugs) is too
low.
I know some folks prefer their own mailers and are using their mozilla
build as their browser, but the lack of SSL hurts. Sure, you can get
patches from the SSLeay folks, but not everyone does that (and perhaps
the patches don't work against the current source?).
Until we have working solutions for mail/news and SSL, I don't see how
to get the 24x7 aggressive stabilization effect of everyone living in
their mozilla builds. Am I unduly pessimistic?
If I'm not, then the dated steps 1-5 above are the best-case coarse
schedule for getting to a stable CVS tag from which various "5.0" era
browser-based products can be derived that I can come up with.
All comments and suggestions are welcome.
For the moment, barring a better idea, let's keep 1-Sept-1998 in mind as
the date when features stop going in and aggressive stabilization
begins. It's very likely there will be earlier stabilization periods
leading up to September 1st, and I'll post a more detailed schedule as
soon as it's known.
/be