From: water...@netscape.com (Chris Waterson) Subject: building the browser Date: 1998/12/02 Message-ID: <366596E4.136378FD@netscape.com>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 417955138 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: mozilla-bui...@mozilla.org Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.builds I am going to light a fire and run. Why do we need these "pull scripts"? (client.mk, nglayout.mk, client.mak, etc.) They cause more bustage than lord knows what because they are redundant with the CVS module. I want to pull a module (like SeaMonkeyBrowser) from CVS (or unpack a source RPM/tarball) and build it. If we're trying to separate out individual components on tags (a la NSPR), then those should go into their own CVS module, and be distributed and installed separately. I really like what we did with NSPR. Can we do that with the rest of the major modules? If we continue on the path that we're on, we'll have missed the whole point and end up with another big monolithic monster. chris
From: Jamie Zawinski <j...@mozilla.org> Subject: Re: building the browser Date: 1998/12/02 Message-ID: <3665B043.3E0F6B4F@mozilla.org>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 417987657 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <366596E4.136378FD@netscape.com> <7449ou$pih1@secnews.netscape.com> <3665AC2D.125040D@netscape.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: mozilla dot org Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.builds So, there are several different pieces here that are all over the floor here, depending on who you talk to. The build system is a mess, and the build instructions are more of a mess. In fact, there is a whole lot of mess on the mozilla.org web site in general. It really needs someone to go through and beat it severely about the head and shoulders until the important documents are easy to find and the incorrect and harmful documents are out of the way. Unfortunately, the mozilla.org staff has shrunk from 5 to 3 recently, and since one of those bodies was our speaker-to-suits, we can't figure out how to get the cash to hire anyone. We're working on it. So going through and beating up on the web site was something that I usually did, but never really had enough time for, but since in the last few weeks I've also been playing spokesmonkey and talking to reporters a lot, well, there aren't enough hours in the day. Won't someone please volunteer to, A: figure out the right way to build Mozilla, B: document it, and C: identify the parts of the mozilla.org web site that need to be fixed so that others may achieve similar enlightenment? -- Jamie Zawinski j...@mozilla.org http://www.mozilla.org/ (work) j...@jwz.org http://www.jwz.org/ (play)
From: Richard Ekle <re...@icanect.net> Subject: Re: building the browser Date: 1998/12/03 Message-ID: <36661AE5.5955AF85@icanect.net>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 418120699 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <366596E4.136378FD@netscape.com> <7449ou$pih1@secnews.netscape.com> <3665AC2D.125040D@netscape.com> <3665B043.3E0F6B4F@mozilla.org> X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: Another Netscape Collabra Server User Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.builds Jamie Zawinski wrote: > > Won't someone please volunteer to, A: figure out the right way to build > Mozilla, B: document it, and C: identify the parts of the mozilla.org > web site that need to be fixed so that others may achieve similar > enlightenment? > Well, we are into all this Open Source stuff here with Mozilla, so why not extend the idea and make the Mozilla site itself 'Open Source'? I'm sure some kind person out there would be willing to volunteer to take over as webmaster of Mozilla if the official mozilla.org trio doesn't have time to manage this.
From: Jamie Zawinski <j...@mozilla.org> Subject: Re: building the browser Date: 1998/12/03 Message-ID: <36664A96.255C7EC4@mozilla.org>#1/1 X-Deja-AN: 418165663 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <366596E4.136378FD@netscape.com> <7449ou$pih1@secnews.netscape.com> <3665AC2D.125040D@netscape.com> <3665B043.3E0F6B4F@mozilla.org> <36661AE5.5955AF85@icanect.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Organization: mozilla dot org Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: netscape.public.mozilla.builds Richard Ekle wrote: > > Well, we are into all this Open Source stuff here with Mozilla, so why > not extend the idea and make the Mozilla site itself 'Open Source'? It's already that way -- there are many parts of the mozilla.org web site that are maintained by people who work for neither mozilla.org nor Netscape. (Actually, most of it, by volume.) We give out write access to the web site just like we do to the source tree. -- Jamie Zawinski j...@mozilla.org http://www.mozilla.org/ (work) j...@jwz.org http://www.jwz.org/ (play)