Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!sunic!uupsi!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc! chaph.usc.edu!girtab.usc.edu!wdao From: w...@girtab.usc.edu (Walter Dao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: help on installing 1meg agnus ... Message-ID: <12411@chaph.usc.edu> Date: 9 Oct 90 07:08:03 GMT Sender: n...@chaph.usc.edu Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 35 Posted: Tue Oct 9 08:08:03 1990 Nntp-Posting-Host: girtab.usc.edu Recently, a message had been posted on how to install the 1meg agnus and on what the modifications were . Now I need a little clarification. (no I havent opened my amiga yet). but in the manual with the amiga schematics, the jumpers JP 2 look like ---------O O--------- ------------------------ ------------------------ on the old machines. Now the mods say that the bottom 2 traces have to be cut out and the top one to be added . does it mean that it is going to look like ---------O-----O------- ----------- ---------- ----------- ---------- ? Also what are the modification to be able to jump from ntsc to pal back and forth with a little switch ? (I think it also involved the JP2 jumpers.) any help welcome. Thanks Walter. "I want to see COMA and CEBIT in their full glory of exploding Sights and Sounds" 8-) ps : The only time I have ever opened my amiga was to forever disable the Audio filter and put a little connection (wirewrap) so that the <power> led still turns on and off . (many program plays with it , blinking it etc...)
Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!sunic!uupsi!rpi!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu! sdd.hp.com!ucsd!nosc!crash!orbit!pnet51!koleman From: kole...@pnet51.orb.mn.org (Kurt Koller) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: help on installing 1meg agnus ... Message-ID: <3315@orbit.cts.com> Date: 13 Oct 90 11:35:35 GMT Sender: r...@orbit.cts.com Organization: People-Net [pnet51], Minneapolis, MN. Lines: 60 Posted: Sat Oct 13 12:35:35 1990 PAL/NTSC Switch. Someone please post this to some FTP plavce or whatever... How to install the NSTC / PAL switch into your Amiga 2000 =========================================================== This modificiation will work on a default NTSC or PAL A2000. First off take the cover off your machine and remove the drive and Power supply chassis ( disconnect the power supply and the disk drive ribbon cable from the motherboard...make sure you remember which end of the cable goes to which pins!!! ). Then remove the whole unit from the machine and set it aside... A. Now look for the FAT AGNUS chip on the motherboard, it should say FAT LADY near the chip....now check the number on top of the chip, You MUST have the new 1 Meg Agnus (Super Agnus part #8372). B. Move motherboard jumper J300 from the factory default position of pins 1-2 to pins 2-3. This jumper is located under the power supply. C. Locate jumper PADS (no pins) labeled J102 and cut a trace between the 2 pads. BE CAREFUL!! The pads are located right next to the AGNUS on the left hand side ( if you are PAL default no need to cut the trace..since PAL is already cut) D. Mount a SPST switch in a convient place on the outside of the Amiga, perhaps next to the power on LED. E. Run 2 wires from the switch to the 2 pads of J102 (1 wire to each pad). That's it. With the switch closed (on position), you'll boot in NTSC. With the switch in the open position (off), you'll boot in PAL. NOTE: Most monitors will only require a minor adjustment in vertical sync and/or size to work in this manner. Composite monitors will NOT work. You must re-boot for the change to take effect, since the jumper is only checked at power-up. If you have problems with Genlocks that go in the video slot, run a SPDT switch to the J300 jumper to allow you to switch timing between Power supply and Video section sources. Call my BBS - Alt-3 - (612) 228-0127 Koleman Don't call the BBS. Kurt "Koleman" Koller - amdahl!bungia!orbit!pnet51!koleman
Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!sunic!uupsi!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung! uunet!isis!chanson From: chan...@isis.cs.du.edu (Chris Hanson) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: help on installing 1meg agnus ... Summary: You may not want to... Keywords: Weird, 1meg, Agnus, Commodore, WARRANTY, Fat, etc. Message-ID: <1990Oct13.035003.3737@isis.cs.du.edu> Date: 13 Oct 90 03:50:03 GMT References: <12411@chaph.usc.edu> Reply-To: chan...@isis.UUCP (Chris Hanson) Organization: Matrix Lines: 39 Posted: Sat Oct 13 04:50:03 1990 We (Progressive Peripherals & Software) got a fax the other day from Commodore. No explanation of it has followed, and I presume other dealers and developers got it. (At least, I hope so.) It reads as follows: {---cut here ---} One Megabyte Agnus use in Commodore A500 Computers Commodore Business Machines does not support the One Megabyte addressing feature of the Fat Agnus 8372 IC in A500 Computers. Regardless of the version of Fat Agnus, all A500's have been factory jumper set to be functionall identical. 8370 Fat Agnus chips are used on rev 5 boards with 256K x 1 DRAMS. 8372 Fat Agnus chips are used on rev 6a boards with 256K x 4 DRAMS. The boards are functionall interchangable. Each will support 512K of chip RAM and 512K of expansion RAM with an A501 installed. Enabling the One Megabyte feature, at the customers' request, will void the warranty. Instructions detailing implementation of the One Megabyte addressing have been circulated without Official Approval and Commodore does not assume any liability for damages resulting from this mode of operation in the A500. {---cut here ---} I have retyped it, exactly as it was sent, with all capitalization and page/line formatting intact. You go figure. I don't get it either. Chris - Xenon -- #define chanson Christopher_Eric_Hanson || Lord_Xenon || Kelson_Haldane I work, but you don't know who I work for. And they don't know I'm here. ::I'm @ chan...@nyx.cs.du.edu
Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!sunic!uupsi!rpi!masscomp!know!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu! wuarchive!psuvax1!psuvm!dxb132 From: DXB...@psuvm.psu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: help on installing 1meg agnus ... Message-ID: <90286.132554DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> Date: 13 Oct 90 17:25:54 GMT References: <12411@chaph.usc.edu> <1990Oct13.035003.3737@isis.cs.du.edu> Organization: Penn State University Lines: 8 Posted: Sat Oct 13 18:25:54 1990 That stuff about the 1MB Agnus "not supported" in a A500 is the most ludicrous pea-brained marketroid nonsense I've heard in a long time. Does anyone disagree ? I'd like to know the IQ of the person who thought of this. It must be tremendous. Probably worked at IBM before he/she/it came to C=... -- Dan Babcock "Kill all the lawyers" -- Shakespear "Kill all the short-sighted marketing people" -- me
Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!sunic!uupsi!rpi!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!wuarchive!udel! haven!uvaarpa!vger!manes From: ma...@vger.nsu.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: help on installing 1meg agnus ... Message-ID: <62.2719a8e6@vger.nsu.edu> Date: 15 Oct 90 16:17:41 GMT References: <12411@chaph.usc.edu> <1990Oct13.035003.3737@isis.cs.du.edu> <90286.132554DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> Lines: 73 Posted: Mon Oct 15 17:17:41 1990 In article <90286.132554DXB...@psuvm.psu.edu>, DXB...@psuvm.psu.edu writes: > That stuff about the 1MB Agnus "not supported" in a A500 is the most ludicrous > pea-brained marketroid nonsense I've heard in a long time. Does anyone disagree > ? I'd like to know the IQ of the person who thought of this. It must be > tremendous. Probably worked at IBM before he/she/it came to C=... > -- Dan Babcock > I disagree. Like it or not Commodore needs to "seperate" the A500 from the A2xx/A3xx series machines, espeically now that the A500 is becoming a mass-marketed machine. Dealers have a difficult time selling the higher-end Amigas because the 500 and the 2000 seem so much alike. Dealers try to sell 2000s by using the "expandability" sales tactic. Now that A500s can expand, by using 2000 boards and even have the ability to run the IBM software, the margin of difference between the two is extremely narrow. It is now down to the box and the slots. Consider that R&D costs a lot, and the world is not demanding another consumer-level computer from Commodore, what would you do to stimulate the dealers? And Commodore's pockets? The answer is two fold in my opinion. #1 - Seperate the product line a500 and a2xxx. Simple to do: Don't allow the 1 meg agnus and don't upgrade A500s to 2.0. Doing this will make the seperation more than obvious. People who want to buy 500s for the kids can be quite happy with 512k of chip and Workbench 1.3. They people who want this machine will not care (need?) dealer support. The customer who does not want a machine that looks like a c128. (Sorry) and wants a machine that can do "professional" type applications (whether it can be done on the consumer 500 is not a issue since we are talking marketing not techie) on a tight bugdet will go the computer dealer and purchase a A2000 (A1500?). #2 - Create a Amiga 1500. (A now PC slot, one/two slot A2000, low profile case, etc.) By creating a Amiga 1500, the need for dealers to keep 500s is gone. A500s could go to the mass markets without upseting the computer dealers. Even with the current A500P and A500 seperation it is not enough to keep the dealers satisfied. Though it may upset 500 owners, it does make sense. It is the bottom line gentlemen. Change that there box a bit and make it LOOK different. You will sell a ton. FYI: This is simply OPINION. I am not basing my OPINION on any special relationship with Commodore. I am simply using the speculation on the net and my own personal thoughts. Ok.. let the games begin... > "Kill all the lawyers" -- Shakespear > "Kill all the short-sighted marketing people" -- me -mark= +--------+ ================================================== | \/ | Mark D. Manes "Mr. AmigaVision" | /\ \/ | ma...@vger.nsu.edu | / | (804) 683-2532 "Make up your own mind! - AMIGA" +--------+ ==================================================
Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu! function.mps.ohio-state.edu!vidynath From: vidyn...@function.mps.ohio-state.edu (Vidhyanath K. Rao) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Future of 500 (was help on installing 1meg agnus) Summary: 500 with 2.0 and 1meg chip ram is still well seperated from 2000 Message-ID: <1990Oct22.020502.7545@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> Date: 22 Oct 90 02:05:02 GMT References: <1990Oct13.035003.3737@isis.cs.du.edu> <90286.132554DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <62.2719a8e6@vger.nsu.edu> Sender: n...@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.amiga Organization: Me? Organized? Lines: 91 Posted: Mon Oct 22 03:05:02 1990 Nntp-Posting-Host: function.mps.ohio-state.edu [Strange that there has no response to this. Note that followup has been directed to comp.sys.amiga] In article <62.2719a...@vger.nsu.edu> ma...@vger.nsu.edu writes: [followingup article <90286.132554DXB...@psuvm.psu.edu> by DXB...@psuvm.psu.edu, who was complaining about 1meg chip ram not being supported on the 500] |Like it or not Commodore needs to "seperate" the A500 from the A2xx/A3xx |series machines, espeically now that the A500 is becoming a mass-marketed |machine. | |Dealers have a difficult time selling the higher-end Amigas because |the 500 and the 2000 seem so much alike. Dealers try to sell 2000s |by using the "expandability" sales tactic. Now that A500s can expand, |by using 2000 boards and even have the ability to run the IBM software, |the margin of difference between the two is extremely narrow. It is |now down to the box and the slots. | |Consider that R&D costs a lot, and the world is not demanding another |consumer-level computer from Commodore, what would you do to stimulate |the dealers? And Commodore's pockets? | |The answer is two fold in my opinion. |#1 - Seperate the product line a500 and a2xxx. | Simple to do: Don't allow the 1 meg agnus and don't upgrade | A500s to 2.0. | |Doing this will make the seperation more than obvious. People who |want to buy 500s for the kids can be quite happy with 512k of chip |and Workbench 1.3. They people who want this machine will not care |(need?) dealer support. | |The customer who does not want a machine that looks like a c128. |(Sorry) and wants a machine that can do "professional" type |applications (whether it can be done on the consumer 500 is not |a issue since we are talking marketing not techie) on a tight |bugdet will go the computer dealer and purchase a A2000 (A1500?). | |#2 - Create a Amiga 1500. | (A now PC slot, one/two slot A2000, low profile case, etc.) | |By creating a Amiga 1500, the need for dealers to keep 500s is gone. |A500s could go to the mass markets without upseting the computer |dealers. Even with the current A500P and A500 seperation it is not |enough to keep the dealers satisfied. | |Though it may upset 500 owners, it does make sense. | |It is the bottom line gentlemen. Change that there box a bit and |make it LOOK different. You will sell a ton. | There are three big reasons why an expanded 500 will never equal a 2000: 1. Attached keyboard: It is just not a good idea to buy a computer or a terminal without a detached keyboard in a business. Potential for disability claims and such is just not worth the savings. 2. No cpu slot: No way upgrade the cpu in a supported fashion. 3. No video slot: No way to do serious video stuff. I tried raising the 1500 idea way back in early 1988. There was a big seperation in proce between 500 and 2000. Even then I was told that the cost of development was not worth it. Today C-A is better equipped to price of the 2000 agressively. Again looking back at the past: One claim made for the amiga was that the 1000/500 had an expansion port and all computers could run the same software. This was contrasted with the more costly upgrade path options others had to put up with. Even if the 1000+1000 offer was not worldwide [I don't know if it was], it was better than the norm. I am sorry if C-A is indeed going to leave the 500 owners in the lurch. There is only one good reason for not allowing the 1meg chip ram upgrade for the 500: design limitations in the motherboard. [It is possible that too many of the upgrades were botched and C-A doen't want to repair these under warranty. I would like to know which is the case. After all, my 500 has been out of warranty for two years.] There was one commercial that made a deep impression on me when I first came to the US: It was a car rental company that said "When you are number two, you try harder." At that time I thought that Indian exporters shold live by that credo. Now I wish that C-A would think that way too. Even though I can still justify the 500 as a cheap way of running AmigaTeX [and Maple 4.2 for those who aren't hungering for pretty pictures], I still don't want people to say, with any justification at all, that I should have bought a Mac SE. -- Vidhyanth Rao It is the man, not the method, that solves function.mps.ohio-state.edu the problem. - Henri Poincare (614)-366-9341 [as paraphrased by E. T. Bell]
Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!hp4nl!rulcvx!rooijen From: rooi...@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (A.J. van Rooijen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: Future of 500 (was help on installing 1meg agnus) Message-ID: <1004@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl> Date: 22 Oct 90 09:33:02 GMT References: <1990Oct13.035003.3737@isis.cs.du.edu> <90286.132554DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <62.2719a8e6@vger.nsu.edu> <1990Oct22.020502.7545@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> Organization: Leiden University, the Netherlands. Lines: 36 Posted: Mon Oct 22 10:33:02 1990 >|#1 - Seperate the product line a500 and a2xxx. >| Simple to do: Don't allow the 1 meg agnus and don't upgrade >| A500s to 2.0. >| >|Doing this will make the seperation more than obvious. People who >|want to buy 500s for the kids can be quite happy with 512k of chip >|and Workbench 1.3. They people who want this machine will not care >|(need?) dealer support. >| >|The customer who does not want a machine that looks like a c128. >|(Sorry) and wants a machine that can do "professional" type >|applications (whether it can be done on the consumer 500 is not >|a issue since we are talking marketing not techie) on a tight >|bugdet will go the computer dealer and purchase a A2000 (A1500?). I think that you have forgotten one thing: a computer is professional by the software it is using. Look at the IBM computer, although there are certain hardware limitations you can run Ventura, Pagemaker, DBaseIV, WordPerfect 5.1. All these programs make the IBM a professional. So I think it is not wise to suppose that a few slots more (for $700 more) makes the A2000 suddenly a professional computer. I am a happy user of an A500 with 2MB memory and a SCSI-harddisk. It is the A500 which has made the success of the Amiga possible. Most people don't have large amounts of money to buy an A2000/A3000. This is also the reason why there are no really professional programs (except for graphics and AmigaTeX). I am getting tired of people stating their A2000 is so professional. If I want to do calculations or do graphics I use a DEC workstation( 40 MIPS, 1024*1024 pixels 16 million colors). If I want to play, write music or make a drawing I use my A500. I just use the right computer for the right job. I hope I have not offended anybody greetings Erwin van Breemen The Orega Programming Group Holland
Path: gmdzi!unido!pcsbst!jkh From: j...@bambam.pcs.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Better support for A500 owners, not less (was Re: Future of 500) Message-ID: <JKH.90Oct25161356@bambam.pcs.com> Date: 25 Oct 90 16:13:56 GMT References: <1990Oct13.035003.3737@isis.cs.du.edu> <90286.132554DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <62.2719a8e6@vger.nsu.edu> <1990Oct22.020502.7545@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> <1004@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl> Sender: n...@pcsbst.pcs.com Organization: PCS Computer Systems, GmbH Lines: 57 Posted: Thu Oct 25 17:13:56 1990 In-reply-to: rooijen@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl's message of 22 Oct 90 09:33:02 GMT Whoa, whoa, whooooaa Nelly.. First off, there is a certain type of elitism among many 2000 owners that offends me, usually expressed in terms of "If you wanted a *real* Amiga, you should have purchased a 2000 and not that toy 500)." Now while this sort of thing was confined casual remarks in certain computer stores and on the net, it was nothing more than a petty irritation. Recent remarks by someone actually suggesting that the A500 folks should be screwed further into the ground, however, are going a bit too far and I feel compelled to toss in my two cents. While I may be far in the minority, I purchased an A500 as an already established Unix developer (with several Unix workstations at home) who was merely curious as to what all this "Amiga" hooplah was about. The A500 was cheap enough to qualify as an "experiment" for me, whereas the 2000 was not. I'm sure that many people (while not necessarily already computer professionals) also purchased 500's for the same reason: It was a cheap way of finding out whether or not the Amiga had anything significant to offer. Now, of course, I have become quite enamoured with the machine and wish that I *had* bought the 2000, but that's simply hindsight. What I have is about $1500 already invested in the A500 platform that I don't particularly care to throw away. Rather than buy a 2000 at this point, I'm more inclined to just wait and get a 3000 once all the bugs are worked out. There are also, I am fairly sure, a lot of other 500 owners out there who probably will eventually buy the latest hardware anyway: Why penalize them for testing the waters first? How many MacII owners started with an AppleII computer as well? Raise your hands. Despite the fact that I'll eventually have a 3000, I'd still like to make something usable out of my 500, and I feel that Commodore has more-or-less abandoned the A500 folks. They're certainly happy enough to market them as aggressively as ever, but have they offered any additional peripherals? Nooooo. If the A590 is the best that they can manage, we're in deep doo-doo. As it is, I'm left to scan the peripheral company adds anxiously hoping to see the words "A500 model" buried somewhere amidst the 1001 other offerings for the 2000. When it comes to memory, HD's or processor cards, the 2000 folks have it made. The A500 folks are considerably less lucky. We bought it, and Commodore was happy enough to take our money, but now we're out to sea. This sucks. DEC realized long ago that peripheral sales were where the real money was at. Commodore seems content to leave almost the entire area of such sales to third parties who are making big $$$ on it. Doesn't Commodore have any responsibility to its shareholders? If SUN or DEC offered up their underbelly on something like this, the stockholders would scream blue murder. I realize that these views may come across as a bit strong, but I really do get the distinct feeling that while Commodore will be perfectly happy to sell another half million A500's, they're going to be putting all the design effort into their 2000 and 3000 lines. This can't help but seem like robbing the masses to help the elite (not that the "masses" are all that poor either! All those pennies add up). Jordan
Path: gmdzi!unido!mcsun!uunet!cbmvax!jesup From: je...@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.hardware Subject: Re: Better support for A500 owners, not less (was Re: Future of 500) Message-ID: <15819@cbmvax.commodore.com> Date: 13 Nov 90 01:50:40 GMT References: <1990Oct13.035003.3737@isis.cs.du.edu> <90286.132554DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu> <62.2719a8e6@vger.nsu.edu> <1990Oct22.020502.7545@zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu> <1004@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl> <JKH.90Oct25161356@bambam.pcs.com> Reply-To: je...@cbmvax.commodore.com (Randell Jesup) Organization: Commodore, West Chester, PA Lines: 72 Posted: Tue Nov 13 02:50:40 1990 In article <JKH.90Oct25161...@bambam.pcs.com> j...@bambam.pcs.com (Jordan K. Hubbard) writes: >Despite the fact that I'll eventually have a 3000, I'd still like to >make something usable out of my 500, and I feel that Commodore has >more-or-less abandoned the A500 folks. They're certainly happy enough >to market them as aggressively as ever, but have they offered any >additional peripherals? Nooooo. If the A590 is the best that they can >manage, we're in deep doo-doo. Sure the little 20Meg drive in the A590 is slow and small. It's also very cheap. However, it has that nice fast DMA SCSI port (same as the A2091, essentially the same as the A3000) sitting there ready for you to plug in a nice fast quantum or maxtor or wren, and you'll have disk I/O speeds as good as a 2000HD. Add to that the 2M of sockets and it's a nice little box - fairly cheap for the A500 owner on a budget, and with with a lot of potential power. You can even yank the 20Meg and drop in a 3.5" SCSI drive (the connector is already there). > As it is, I'm left to scan the >peripheral company adds anxiously hoping to see the words "A500 model" >buried somewhere amidst the 1001 other offerings for the 2000. When it >comes to memory, HD's or processor cards, the 2000 folks have it made. >The A500 folks are considerably less lucky. We bought it, and >Commodore was happy enough to take our money, but now we're out to >sea. This sucks. Why do you think we can sell the A500 so cheaply? It's because you don't need all the fancy casework, much bigger PS, etc, etc. You can put a processor slot and a Z-II slot in an A500-like machine, but it would cost considerably more. I can't talk about any future machines, of course, but I'm sure everyone out there realizes we're always looking at our product line and thinking about how we can improve it (not just as individual models, but the line as a whole). >DEC realized long ago that peripheral sales were where the real money >was at. Commodore seems content to leave almost the entire area of >such sales to third parties who are making big $$$ on it. Doesn't >Commodore have any responsibility to its shareholders? If SUN or DEC >offered up their underbelly on something like this, the stockholders >would scream blue murder. Then again, if the 3rd parties didn't do things that were somewhat risky, or very niche-oriented, or provide some choice, then the Amiga might not exist anymore. We do peripherals, especially ones with a fairly large potential customer base (A590, A2091, A2065 (ethernet), the infamous ULowell card (largely for the Unix folk), etc). We can't cover every niche, and if we did we'd drive away all the 3rd parties, who are willing and able to take risks we can't, or know markets better than we could, or have lower overhead or faster turnaround. >I realize that these views may come across as a bit strong, but I >really do get the distinct feeling that while Commodore will be >perfectly happy to sell another half million A500's, they're going to >be putting all the design effort into their 2000 and 3000 lines. This >can't help but seem like robbing the masses to help the elite (not >that the "masses" are all that poor either! All those pennies add up). I think you're being overly pessimistic. Sure we'd like to sell 500,000 A500s in the coming year. We'd rather sell 1,000,000, and if paying attention to the A500 (peripherals, redesign, or whatever might help sales) will help, I think it's a good assumption we're interested. Another thing to realize is that while a lot of the Amiga sales in the USA are A2000s or better, most of our sales elsewhere are A500's, so it's _very_ important to us as a company. As usual, I speak only for myself (and then within obvious limits), and NOT for Commodore Amiga, Commodore International, or Commodore Business Machines. -- Randell Jesup, Keeper of AmigaDos, Commodore Engineering. {uunet|rutgers}!cbmvax!jesup, je...@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com BIX: rjesup Common phrase heard at Amiga Devcon '89: "It's in there!"