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From: j...@husc9.harvard.edu (Haibin Jiu)
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Subject: Re: MS is trying to censor Will Zachmann
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I read W.Z.'s column on OS/2 in the May 1? issue, and thought it was
pretty fair. Shame on Z.D. then for bowing to Microsoft.
Anybody has the internet addresses for Ziff-Davis (or PC Mag) and
Zachmann?
Bugs
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From: ander...@mayo.edu (Alfred I. Anderson)
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In article <1992Apr29.152133.11...@husc3.harvard.edu> j...@husc9.harvard.edu
(Haibin Jiu) writes:
>I read W.Z.'s column on OS/2 in the May 1? issue, and thought it was
>pretty fair. Shame on Z.D. then for bowing to Microsoft.
>Anybody has the internet addresses for Ziff-Davis (or PC Mag) and
>Zachmann?
>Bugs
If anyone DOES have the internet address of Ziff_Davis, please post it here
as there are a LOT of people that would like to know it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Alfred Anderson Internet: ander...@Mayo.edu
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From: d...@po.CWRU.Edu (Douglas A. Bell)
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Subject: Re: MS is trying to censor Will Zachmann
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In a previous article, ander...@mayo.edu (Alfred I. Anderson) says:
>If anyone DOES have the internet address of Ziff_Davis, please post it here
>as there are a LOT of people that would like to know it.
You can call 617-393-3700 between 9-5 est.
Ziff-Davis does not seem to have publicly available internet, mci mail,
or compuserve accounts.
--
Ren and Stimpy for President in '92 !!!!
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From: b...@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: Re: MS is trying to censor Will Zachmann
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In article <1992Apr29.152133.11...@husc3.harvard.edu> j...@husc9.harvard.edu
(Haibin Jiu) writes:
>I read W.Z.'s column on OS/2 in the May 1? issue, and thought it was
>pretty fair. Shame on Z.D. then for bowing to Microsoft.
>
>Anybody has the internet addresses for Ziff-Davis (or PC Mag) and
>Zachmann?
>
>Bugs
PC magazine:
157-9...@mcimail.com
I know Zachmann is on Compuserve so you can reach him from Internet but
I don't remember his userid off the top of my head.
Bert Moshier
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From: ball...@ucs.ubc.ca (Alan Ballard)
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Subject: Re: MS is trying to censor Will Zachmann
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In <1992Apr29.180259.27...@hemlock.cray.com> b...@cray.com (Bert Moshier) writes:
>I know Zachmann is on Compuserve so you can reach him from Internet but
>I don't remember his userid off the top of my head.
Zachmann's Compuserve id is 72241,43; hence 72241...@compuserve.com
should work.
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From: b...@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
Subject: Re: MS is trying to censor Will Zachmann
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In article <ballard.704611...@swiss.ucs.ubc.ca> ball...@ucs.ubc.ca (Alan Ballard)
writes:
>In <1992Apr29.180259.27...@hemlock.cray.com> b...@cray.com (Bert Moshier) writes:
>>I know Zachmann is on Compuserve so you can reach him from Internet but
>>I don't remember his userid off the top of my head.
>
>Zachmann's Compuserve id is 72241,43; hence 72241...@compuserve.com
>should work.
>--
>Alan Ballard | Internet: ball...@ucs.ubc.ca
>University Computing Services | Bitnet: USERAB1@UBCMTSG
>University of British Columbia | Phone: 604-822-3074
>Vancouver B.C. Canada V6T 1Z2 | Fax: 604-822-5116
Alan:
Thanks for posting his CIS/Internet address.
Bert.
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Could someone post what this thread is about. It doesn't seem to say
anywhere I can find. Thanks.
--
Bob Cain r...@netcom.com 408-358-2007
"There are some strings. They're just not attached."
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From: j...@husc9.harvard.edu (Haibin Jiu)
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Subject: Re: MS is trying to censor Will Zachmann
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In article < jc-kzhf.rc...@netcom.com> r...@netcom.com (Robert Cain) writes:
>Could someone post what this thread is about. It doesn't seem to say
>anywhere I can find. Thanks.
>--
Some dude reported that Microsoft is pressuring PC Magazine and Ziff-
Davis into censoring William F. Zachmann for his alleged pro-OS/2
views. There was a call for writing PC Magazine to complain about any
possible censorship. I did write notes to both PC Magazine and Mr.
Zachmann. Hope this will clear up soon.
E-mail addresses:
PC Magazine: 157-9...@mcimail.com
W. F. Zachmann: 72241...@compuserve.com [guys, it's *2* n's in Zachmann]
Bugs
I am no liberal, but ... PC rules!
No peace, no justice!
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Subject: Re: MS is trying to censor Will Zachmann
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(Douglas A. Bell) writes:
>
>In a previous article, ander...@mayo.edu (Alfred I. Anderson) says:
>
>>If anyone DOES have the internet address of Ziff_Davis, please post it here
>>as there are a LOT of people that would like to know it.
>
>
>You can call 617-393-3700 between 9-5 est.
I've already sent them the articles wherein the writers and editors are
accused of taking payola, and are accused of slanting a story because of
secret Microsoft stockholdings.
So when you write to give your support for Will Zachman, you can be sure
that they know who you are and will take you very seriously indeed!
always wanting to help
gordon letwin
not a spokesperson for microsoft
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Is there any proof other than a rumor that someone is pressuring
William Zachmann about his views on OS/2.
Personally, I find some of his view some on OS/2 is completely wrong
and I never complaint about that. I think his views are biased on the
favor of OS/2. That's okay, there are other people who are biased
on Windows, and it's up to the readers to decide which is for them.
--
-- I am only USING this account.
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From: ball...@ucs.ubc.ca (Alan Ballard)
Subject: Re: MS is trying to censor Will Zachmann
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In <t6xv...@rpi.edu> y...@aix.rpi.edu (Crimson Avenger) writes:
>Is there any proof other than a rumor that someone is pressuring
>William Zachmann about his views on OS/2.
Both Zachmann and Joel Dreyfuss (the editor of PC Mag) have responded
to this rumour on Compuserve. The gist of the replies is that
Ziff-Davis supports the editorial independence of its writers and that
Zachmann feels he will be able to continue to write his opinions
without interference.
(I notice, however, that Zachmann does not comment on whether or not
the incident referred to actually occurred... which certainly leaves
me with the impression that MSoft TRIED to get Ziff Davis to shut him
up, but that Ziff supported him.)
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ball...@ucs.ubc.ca (Alan Ballard) writes:
> In <t6xv...@rpi.edu> y...@aix.rpi.edu (Crimson Avenger) writes:
>
> >Is there any proof other than a rumor that someone is pressuring
> >William Zachmann about his views on OS/2.
>
> Both Zachmann and Joel Dreyfuss (the editor of PC Mag) have responded
> to this rumour on Compuserve. The gist of the replies is that
> Ziff-Davis supports the editorial independence of its writers and that
> Zachmann feels he will be able to continue to write his opinions
> without interference.
>
Action will speak more than the words of denial. If Zachmann changes his
tone towards his past OS/2 advocacy and starts writing columns less
forceful and/or more conciliatory towards Windows, readers can draw their
own conclusions.
No one is going to publicly admit to such pressure being brought upon them
(even if they resisted such alleged pressure) to change their editorial
policy.
So why not wait and see the contents of Zachmann pieces, changes of
direction if any and his own reasonings for such a change of heart.
GeSS
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From: b...@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
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Subject: Re: MS is trying to censor Will Zachmann
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In article <ballard.705685...@swiss.ucs.ubc.ca> ball...@ucs.ubc.ca
(Alan Ballard) writes:
>In <t6xv...@rpi.edu> y...@aix.rpi.edu (Crimson Avenger) writes:
>
>>Is there any proof other than a rumor that someone is pressuring
>>William Zachmann about his views on OS/2.
>
>Both Zachmann and Joel Dreyfuss (the editor of PC Mag) have responded
>to this rumour on Compuserve. The gist of the replies is that
>Ziff-Davis supports the editorial independence of its writers and that
>Zachmann feels he will be able to continue to write his opinions
>without interference.
>
>(I notice, however, that Zachmann does not comment on whether or not
>the incident referred to actually occurred... which certainly leaves
>me with the impression that MSoft TRIED to get Ziff Davis to shut him
>up, but that Ziff supported him.)
>--
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Alan:
Also please note, Joel is the editor of PC Magazine not PC Week where the
meeting occurred. Joel in his note addresses what the overall editorial
policy is at ZD not PC Week.
This is also true concerning a posting from Will I saw today on Compuserve.
His reply was about PC Magazine not PC Week. It is true, the scroll rate is
high and he might have had a reply on PC Week which scrolled before I read it.
Bert Moshier
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From: bro...@cco.caltech.edu (Brooke Paul Anderson)
Subject: Re: MS is trying to censor Will Zachmann
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writes:
>ball...@ucs.ubc.ca (Alan Ballard) writes:
>
>> In <t6xv...@rpi.edu> y...@aix.rpi.edu (Crimson Avenger) writes:
>>
>> >Is there any proof other than a rumor that someone is pressuring
>> >William Zachmann about his views on OS/2.
>>
>> Both Zachmann and Joel Dreyfuss (the editor of PC Mag) have responded
>> to this rumour on Compuserve. The gist of the replies is that
>> Ziff-Davis supports the editorial independence of its writers and that
>> Zachmann feels he will be able to continue to write his opinions
>> without interference.
>>
>
>Action will speak more than the words of denial. If Zachmann changes his
>tone towards his past OS/2 advocacy and starts writing columns less
>forceful and/or more conciliatory towards Windows, readers can draw their
>own conclusions.
>
>No one is going to publicly admit to such pressure being brought upon them
>(even if they resisted such alleged pressure) to change their editorial
>policy.
>
>So why not wait and see the contents of Zachmann pieces, changes of
>direction if any and his own reasonings for such a change of heart.
>
>GeSS
>--
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I read a recent article by Zachmann in PC WEEK (it was the issue for
the first or second week in May). In that article, he said that he had
misgivings about OS/2, that OS/2 had problems, that he had not even
tried installing it on the machine he works on, that he would be
sticking with Windows 3.1 on that machine -- in short, he disparages
OS/2. I couldn't believe it. At any rate, I don't think you have to
wait -- the change in direction happened already.
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From: b...@cray.com (Bert Moshier)
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(Brooke Paul Anderson) writes:
>In article <ks7PkB1w1...@knex.Gwinnett.COM> g...@knex.Gwinnett.COM (Gess Shankar)
writes:
>>ball...@ucs.ubc.ca (Alan Ballard) writes:
>>
>>> In <t6xv...@rpi.edu> y...@aix.rpi.edu (Crimson Avenger) writes:
>>>
>>> >Is there any proof other than a rumor that someone is pressuring
>>> >William Zachmann about his views on OS/2.
>>>
>>> Both Zachmann and Joel Dreyfuss (the editor of PC Mag) have responded
>>> to this rumour on Compuserve. The gist of the replies is that
>>> Ziff-Davis supports the editorial independence of its writers and that
>>> Zachmann feels he will be able to continue to write his opinions
>>> without interference.
>>>
>>
>>Action will speak more than the words of denial. If Zachmann changes his
>>tone towards his past OS/2 advocacy and starts writing columns less
>>forceful and/or more conciliatory towards Windows, readers can draw their
>>own conclusions.
>>
>>No one is going to publicly admit to such pressure being brought upon them
>>(even if they resisted such alleged pressure) to change their editorial
>>policy.
>>
>>So why not wait and see the contents of Zachmann pieces, changes of
>>direction if any and his own reasonings for such a change of heart.
>>
>>GeSS
>>--
>>Gess Shankar |<><>|Internet: g...@knex.Gwinnett.COM |<><>|
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>
>I read a recent article by Zachmann in PC WEEK (it was the issue for
>the first or second week in May). In that article, he said that he had
>misgivings about OS/2, that OS/2 had problems, that he had not even
>tried installing it on the machine he works on, that he would be
>sticking with Windows 3.1 on that machine -- in short, he disparages
>OS/2. I couldn't believe it. At any rate, I don't think you have to
>wait -- the change in direction happened already.
>
Actually, IBM should be using this article as an opportunity!! They should
send someone to Will (IMMEDIATELY) and help him convert his machine to OS/2!!
Once converted, he'd have to write about it!! Positive press, especially
if the conversion goes quickly and easily! He could say - Guess there was
nothing to fear but fear itself! If it does not go well, then he can talk
about IBM's great support organization and how he likes OS/2 on his machine.
Bert Moshier
SO, IBM WHY DON'T YOU DO IT!! COME ON TEAM OS/2 THIS IS YOUR CALLING!