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From: l...@cs.cornell.edu (Lew Jansen)
Subject: DV/X or OS/2???
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Okay, here's a couple of questions. The FAQ, while quite
informative, didn't really provide the information I was
looking for; so now I turn to the net.
I want to be able to easily do multitasking on my home
system, say some text editting while downloading, perhaps some
simple compiling while dealing with quicken, a game or two
here and there, etc. I have no need of networking abilities,
as there I have only one machine at home.
My preference is that of a windowed environment, as I am used
to X11R4 on Suns at work. I've played with DesqView386, which
was borrowed from Cornell's Software Lending Library. I
wasn't all that happy with the interface, preferring to be
able to have multiple windows displayed on the same graphics
screen. I've mucked about with MSWindows and wasn't thrilled.
It appears that I have the choice of either OS/2 V2.0 or
DV/X. In either case, I will have to boost my system memory
by a couple of meg (4 meg current) and add some more hard disk
to my 386dx/25. I do wish to maintain the ability to run
certain pieces of DOS software, which is why I haven't thoroughly
tossed out the system and brought in linux et al.
So, with OS/2 at $99 (or a little less) for the MSDOS
upgrade, what reasons would I have to pay more for DV/X? List
price for DV/X is $275, right? What are the street prices
like? I do not currently own anything from QOS, so I can't go
for the $100 upgrade I've heard about (tho I may have heard
wrong).
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From: alh...@sedist.cray.com (Greg Alheid)
Subject: Re: DV/X or OS/2???
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|> Okay, here's a couple of questions.
|>
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|> I want to be able to easily do multitasking on my home
|> system, say some text editting while downloading, perhaps some
|> simple compiling while dealing with quicken, a game or two
|> here and there, etc. I have no need of networking abilities,
|> as there I have only one machine at home.
|>
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|>
|> So, with OS/2 at $99 (or a little less) for the MSDOS
|> upgrade, what reasons would I have to pay more for DV/X?
Where DV/X will be of most interest is in a UNIX enviorment.
DV/X wiil allow a 386 PC to run any UNIX software and any MW
Windows and DOS text programs to be run on a UNIX system as
long as the X-Window software is install on the UNIX system.
|> List price for DV/X is $275, right? What are the street
|> prices like?
Just this weekend I saw DV/X at Egghead at $224 and at
CompUSA for $179.
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From: mcc...@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: DV/X or OS/2???
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In article <1992Jun14.230023.27...@walter.cray.com> alh...@sedist.cray.com
(Greg Alheid) writes:
>|>
>|> Okay, here's a couple of questions.
>|>
> {delted stuff}
>|>
>|> I want to be able to easily do multitasking on my home
>|> system, say some text editting while downloading, perhaps some
>|> simple compiling while dealing with quicken, a game or two
>|> here and there, etc. I have no need of networking abilities,
>|> as there I have only one machine at home.
>|>
> {delted stuff}
>|>
>|> So, with OS/2 at $99 (or a little less) for the MSDOS
>|> upgrade, what reasons would I have to pay more for DV/X?
>
> Where DV/X will be of most interest is in a UNIX enviorment.
>DV/X wiil allow a 386 PC to run any UNIX software and any MW
>Windows and DOS text programs to be run on a UNIX system as
>long as the X-Window software is install on the UNIX system.
>
>|> List price for DV/X is $275, right? What are the street
>|> prices like?
>
> Just this weekend I saw DV/X at Egghead at $224 and at
>CompUSA for $179.
Yeah, but to do anything in a UNIX environment (in order to be useful,
in other words) you have to have the TCP/IP net manager stuff for
DV/X, which means another $200. Then there's the issue of window
managers for DV/X.
Frankly, I think DV/X has priced itself right out of the market. It'd
be handy to run, but I can't personally justify throwing all that
money at it to get what I think should have been in the base product
in the first place.
[Now if only OS/2 would come up with an X-client mode for the layered
networking package rather than just X-server (with support for doing
the OS/2 and Windows stuff in an X window on the server, of course).]
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From: jmayn...@oac.hsc.uth.tmc.edu (Jay Maynard)
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In article <1992Jun19.171259.27...@mksol.dseg.ti.com> mcc...@mksol.dseg.ti.com
(fred j mccall 575-3539) writes:
>Frankly, I think DV/X has priced itself right out of the market. It'd
>be handy to run, but I can't personally justify throwing all that
>money at it to get what I think should have been in the base product
>in the first place.
Well, let's see...
DV/X: $189 TCP/IP network manager: $200 PC/TCP: $250 Total: $639
OS/2: $99 (upgrade from DOS) TCP/IP: $200 X server: $150 Total: $449
Difference: $190
Yes, there's a difference, but it's not as dramatic as some would have you
believe. After all, it's about a third of the total package price...but
then, upgrading to OS/2 is a major hassle if all you're looking to do is
run X. (Before you accuse me of bashing OS/2, it's nearly displaced DV/X on
my home system...)
I think that, more than pricing itself out of the market, DV/X simply missed
its window of opportunity. Had it been out this time last year, it would have
taken the PC market by storm; I now believe it's little more than a historical
curiosity.
>[Now if only OS/2 would come up with an X-client mode for the layered
>networking package rather than just X-server (with support for doing
>the OS/2 and Windows stuff in an X window on the server, of course).]
I asked about that at the local IBM seminar where I saw my first OS/2 demo,
a week after getting DV/X; the answer I got was that the memo describing that
was still confidential.
You may draw your own conclusions.
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